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ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
4. We KNOW the pope actively covered up crimes around the world.
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:19 PM
Feb 2013

From 1982-2005, that was his responsibility. The recent document dump in Los Angeles even has correspondence between Mahoney and the Rat, proving how they conspired to throw sand into any litigation or discovery. The Rat's connections with Rev. Marciel Maciel are even more horrendous. The crimes were so numerous, and the Rat's support of Maciel and his thuggish organization so strong, it is impossible to view the Rat as anything but a career criminal conspirator.

And what of the financial crimes? The Vatican Bank is a criminal organization. Money laundering for the Mafia, drug lords, weapons dealers, perhaps even terrorist states, and extremely questionable dealings by the Roman Curia were uncovered as recently as July, 2012. The man behind the crimes and their stonewalling cover-ups is the current Vatican Secretary of State Tarcisio Bertone. Not only does he double deal on the world political stage, he has his sticky fingers on the 7-8 Billion euros that are directly controlled by the Vatican.

There is no indication that the Vatican Bank and the Sec. of State have changed their ways since the 1980s, when the corrupt Milanese banker Robert Calvi and the mafia financier Michele Sidona were found to be fronting for drug dealers, weapons sales (often to groups directly opposed to NATO interests), and other fascinating, corrupt practices. When one avenue for crimes was ended because of the Banco collapse in the mid 1980s, (under Archbishop Paul Marcinkus) the Vatican simply moved its dirty dealings to two accounts at JP Morgan Chase, opened by the Vatican Bank.

After the Rat was made pope in 2005, millions of Vatican dollars were deposited to one account in Milan, then transferred (and laundered) in another JP Morgan account in Germany, effectively erasing the trail of how the Vatican originally got the funds. After Italian police froze tens of millions of dollars in the Milan account, the Vatican begged, bribed, stonewalled, and pushed for the the re-openning of that account and release of those funds. Eventually Italy agreed to release the funds it froze, but it refuses to put the Vatican Bank back on the list of approved banks. In simpler terms, the Vatican Bank is still so dirty and connected with mob, drug, and arms dealing money, that not even the Italian Government allows it to do business with any Euro bank or government, or allows it to do international business. That is why you can no longer use credit cards in the Vatican City. Because its bank is so corrupt and involved in illegal activities.

There is no way around the fact that the Vatican Bank invested in and profited from crime, and did everything possible to keep its many ties to crime and heavy duty criminals quiet. When you launder money for drug dealers and weapons dealers, some responsibility has to rub off. Many groups currently blowing up parts of our allies' citizens might be armed only because of the criminal acts by the Vatican Bank.

Explain all the criminal ties, all the criminal acts, and make it fit with your demand that we treat this criminal organization as though it offered some benefit to people. I can't see how it does.

Good on you! warrprayer Feb 2013 #1
You betcha! I still have the scars on the back of my right hand by the nun that inflicted them on me Ikonoklast Feb 2013 #29
As a child, the meanest people I ever knew were Nuns. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2013 #33
in 8th grade warrprayer Feb 2013 #36
I would consider joining the church, if one day I decided to join organized religion quinnox Feb 2013 #2
Well. As an atheist, I don't find this post very user friendly iwillalwayswonderwhy Feb 2013 #3
We KNOW the pope actively covered up crimes around the world. ChairmanAgnostic Feb 2013 #4
the catholic church is the worlds oldest criminal organization madrchsod Feb 2013 #12
and that's their good side. ChairmanAgnostic Feb 2013 #23
+1 Go Vols Feb 2013 #25
I come from a family of Catholics Marrah_G Feb 2013 #5
well said, M. Well said. ChairmanAgnostic Feb 2013 #6
With all due respect to your response, I am not im any way defending the corruption/evild within the corneliamcgillicutty Feb 2013 #16
Frankly I do not understand why American Catholics are loyal to Rome Marrah_G Feb 2013 #17
They use fear as a great motivator. "But what if your sole goes to hell because you ChairmanAgnostic Feb 2013 #24
My mother was abused by her Catholic Priest uncle FunkyLeprechaun Feb 2013 #7
Kudos to you. I was an Episcopalian, which is essentially like the Catholic church RebelOne Feb 2013 #9
I wish I'd had a better experience with the RC church Siwsan Feb 2013 #8
Tim Minchin speaks for me... backscatter712 Feb 2013 #10
rofl lindysalsagal Feb 2013 #21
my problem with the church is the pope and his boys in the vactican madrchsod Feb 2013 #11
A church isn't necessary for that untiring work. Brickbat Feb 2013 #13
No longer a Catholic, but it has nothing to do with the nuns fadedrose Feb 2013 #14
I never was like that, but I do see it often here. Puzzledtraveller Feb 2013 #15
They regard women as second class just to pick one thing that needs to change but probably wont. libtodeath Feb 2013 #18
Is this in 2 parts? I seem to be missing the "attempt" part. retread Feb 2013 #19
There are lots of good Catholics, priests, nuns and parishes. And they cbayer Feb 2013 #20
Millions of people...ok, so how many of those millions hold these derelict Bishops accountable? MichiganVote Feb 2013 #22
Aren't the millions of followers EternalOptimist Feb 2013 #26
It is the message (Catholic teaching), not the messenger (Pope, HockeyMom Feb 2013 #27
I was born LGBT. Please, explain to me why I should not have a serious problem Zorra Feb 2013 #28
I have no ill feelings toward the Catholic church or its followers. RebelOne Feb 2013 #30
The Catholic Church should continue to be the blessing it is for the poor and lost but it needs to Lint Head Feb 2013 #31
As a not too active Catholic, after 12 years of Catholic life long demo Feb 2013 #32
Complete fail. Zoeisright Feb 2013 #34
But why do you need to be part of that church to "do good" for people? Arugula Latte Feb 2013 #35
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