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ProSense

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14. Is it your understanding
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 02:21 PM
Feb 2013
"The U.N. Charter provides that all member states must settle their international disputes by peaceful means, and no nation can use military force except in self-defense or when authorized by the Security Council. After the 9/11 attacks, the council passed two resolutions, neither of which authorized the use of military force in Afghanistan. Resolutions 1368 and 1373 condemned the Sept. 11 attacks and ordered the freezing of assets; the criminalizing of terrorist activity; the prevention of the commission of and support for terrorist attacks; and the taking of necessary steps to prevent the commission of terrorist activity, including the sharing of information. In addition, it urged ratification and enforcement of the international conventions against terrorism.

The invasion of Afghanistan was not legitimate self-defense under article 51 of the charter because the attacks on Sept. 11 were criminal attacks, not "armed attacks" by another country. Afghanistan did not attack the United States. In fact, 15 of the 19 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia. Furthermore, there was not an imminent threat of an armed attack on the United States after Sept. 11, or Bush would not have waited three weeks before initiating his October 2001 bombing campaign. The necessity for self-defense must be "instant, overwhelming, leaving no choice of means, and no moment for deliberation." This classic principle of self-defense in international law has been affirmed by the Nuremberg Tribunal and the U.N. General Assembly. "


...that Congress can only declare war if the U.N. is on board? Who was the government of Afghanistan? How exactly did the U.N. see these resolutions being enforced with the Taliban in power?



DU rec... SidDithers Feb 2013 #1
Excellent! Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #2
Hmm, how many Afghan civilians were killed? MadHound Feb 2013 #3
As I said in my OP, argue all you want nobodyspecial Feb 2013 #4
Great, no dead soldiers, MadHound Feb 2013 #5
Why ProSense Feb 2013 #7
Here, MadHound Feb 2013 #9
Is it your understanding ProSense Feb 2013 #14
Another thing: ProSense Feb 2013 #8
Why are you trying to change the subject? MadHound Feb 2013 #10
"was speaking about the war in Afghanistan" ProSense Feb 2013 #15
And what argument is that pray tell, MadHound Feb 2013 #17
The Taliban has been killing civilians as a matter of policy for years bhikkhu Feb 2013 #19
See, that's the problem you face by starting your OP customerserviceguy Feb 2013 #11
It isn't a matter of "fair", or exposing more troops to death, MadHound Feb 2013 #13
So....why did we leave Vietnam? Junkdrawer Feb 2013 #20
The body count got too high customerserviceguy Feb 2013 #24
War without the Butcher's Bill.... Junkdrawer Feb 2013 #6
You mean just like the Japanese customerserviceguy Feb 2013 #12
Time to get out while the gettin's good, then. TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #16
It's convenient that we can have the Afghans doing the dying for us. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2013 #18
I should have known such a simple acknowlegement nobodyspecial Feb 2013 #21
The "Lefter-than-thou" crowd would be comical if they weren't so fucking tiresome and predictable. 11 Bravo Feb 2013 #22
Thank you nobodyspecial Feb 2013 #23
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