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rdharma

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99. This is a common psychological reaction.

Reply to The Straight Story (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 02:34 PM

Feb 2013

I've seen it before in law enforcment shoot/don't shoot training scenarios . One "good guy with a gun" opens fire ....... and the rest of his/her "good guy" buds will also start blazing away.

In fact, it's an easy phenomena to demonstrate in shoot/don't shoot exercise. You get a "plant" and you place him/her on the firing line with other shooters. You instruct the "plant" to open fire away on the next exercise when he/she recognizes that it's clearly a "NO SHOOT" situation. Invariably........ the whole firing line will start blazing away thinking that the plant recognized some sort of "threat" that they missed.

It's a psychological reaction that just happens. It doesn't make these LAPD cops "good" or "bad" cops....... it just makes them human.

And it just makes me roll my eyes and say "herp derp" when gun nutters like Wayne LaPierre and other nutter "Bubbas" claim that more guns, in the hands of "good guys" with average training, will stop the "bad guys" in these school, theater, shopping mall shootings.

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Something about this pic is a little disturbing [View all] The Straight Story Feb 2013 OP

"We're gonna need more numbers" n/t lumberjack_jeff Feb 2013 #1

I'm speechless. NV Whino Feb 2013 #2

On edit, it's truck not a van - which I read it was. freshwest Feb 2013 #141

Yes it is.... IowaGuy Feb 2013 #155

Oh? I thought it was a mini-van and someone on another thread called it one. I'll edit that.. But freshwest Feb 2013 #156

The detectives who did this should lose their guns and the right to be on the street. randome Feb 2013 #3

I must say.. NCTraveler Feb 2013 #12

I don't think anyone was killed, were they? randome Feb 2013 #14

No one was killed, but yes, a lawsuit should go forward sakabatou Feb 2013 #45

My bad. I thought this was where the lady was killed. NCTraveler Feb 2013 #47

So horrible, has the elderly women died? sasha031 Feb 2013 #50

No. My post was in error. NCTraveler Feb 2013 #53

trigger happy keystone cops sasha031 Feb 2013 #57

Attemted murder would be more appropriate. nt avebury Feb 2013 #147

Why are you worshiping Dorner? Taverner Feb 2013 #133

LAPD needs a habanero salsa enema. kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #181

They need target practice. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2013 #202

OUCH! eom BlueCaliDem Feb 2013 #205

Why? Aren't the women just collateral damage? Humanist_Activist Feb 2013 #191

Jesus. "Disturbing" is putting it mildly. What is going on out there? n/t Smarmie Doofus Feb 2013 #4

Too many Republican cops who hate Latinos. That's what's going on BlueCaliDem Feb 2013 #43

+1 uponit7771 Feb 2013 #51

And we know they're republicans how? They were just trigger happy idiots from no specific party! George II Feb 2013 #64

Uhhhh, simple... Spryguy Feb 2013 #79

And they are probably addicted to 2naSalit Feb 2013 #85

Can you document any of those idiotic and irrational statements? George II Feb 2013 #120

They are well documented. Spryguy Feb 2013 #194

So these statement of yours: George II Feb 2013 #196

Sounds like you're apologizing for them attempting to murder two innocent latina women. Spryguy Feb 2013 #211

Nope - I addressed that in an earlier post. You still have some credibility building, however. George II Feb 2013 #215

Hmmm, my credibility is intact. How about yours? Spryguy Feb 2013 #221

Little bitches? Drop the sexist crap. n/t pitbullgirl1965 Feb 2013 #183

In light of today's mistaken identity shooting, how does your point 2 apply? George II Feb 2013 #222

They are LAPD thugs, so it's a pretty safe assumption that they are repukes at the least kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #91

Pardon my ignorance . . . is there a union? Repugs pretty much keep their own employed. nt patrice Feb 2013 #112

There is a union. LAPD RWers like a union that benefits THEM - kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #182

Yep. In fact, they believe no one else other than them, have a right BlueCaliDem Feb 2013 #206

+1, n/t RKP5637 Feb 2013 #78

This is profoundly stupid. dorkulon Feb 2013 #124

I actually LIVE here and Latinos are pulled over MORE than Caucasians. I know BlueCaliDem Feb 2013 #144

And from that you get intentionally murdering an old lady? dorkulon Feb 2013 #190

Like I said, and I'll repeat . . . BlueCaliDem Feb 2013 #201

It's amazing how much you know about me. dorkulon Feb 2013 #210

While that may be true - it doesn't apply in this case BellaLuna Feb 2013 #212

Yeah, it actually does apply in this case. BlueCaliDem Feb 2013 #213

Where the fuck did I say it was honest mistake? BellaLuna Feb 2013 #214

I never CLAIMED you said it was an honest mistake. BlueCaliDem Feb 2013 #217

good try.. BellaLuna Feb 2013 #218

Naw. BlueCaliDem Feb 2013 #220

The women were delivering papers csziggy Feb 2013 #94

Don't give a flying fuck. May explain. DOES NOT EXCUSE! TheMadMonk Feb 2013 #138

I agree with your post. I don't believe there was evil intent on the part of the LAPD in lumpy Feb 2013 #146

Of course there was evil intent xxqqqzme Feb 2013 #172

Exactly! These cop-apologists infesting this thread seem to forget BlueCaliDem Feb 2013 #204

"justifiably paranoid"???? OrwellwasRight Feb 2013 #171

I hope they own Jennifer Anniston's cottage by the end JanMichael Feb 2013 #5

Didn't know what you meant at first... KansDem Feb 2013 #188

What's that in the air? Bay Boy Feb 2013 #6

Good guys with guns! Thanks for keeping us all safe. m/t Ed Suspicious Feb 2013 #7

This. ^^^ CrispyQ Feb 2013 #106

Did "ALL" the rounds hit the van or ....hmmm n/t L0oniX Feb 2013 #8

A few hit the exterior of one of the houses in the cul de sac, according to KCAL 9 - n/t coalition_unwilling Feb 2013 #16

Oh shit no, they missed plenty. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #62

Doesn't seem they value accuracy much. siligut Feb 2013 #83

They were scared. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #96

You know, I get the predator-prey response siligut Feb 2013 #130

They Were Out for Blood AndyTiedye Feb 2013 #186

A few bad apples no doubt n/t Fumesucker Feb 2013 #9

A bushel, at least. MADem Feb 2013 #90

90% of cops... awoke_in_2003 Feb 2013 #151

Not even the same make or color truck: Dorner drives a grey Nissan Titan. That's a blue Toyota. leveymg Feb 2013 #10

The scary part is these guys had been PROMOTED to Detective! What does that say about Dustlawyer Feb 2013 #84

Rampart 2... nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #11

That is crazy and these people are considered safe to be armed? libtodeath Feb 2013 #13

Southern California is now effectively without police protection slackmaster Feb 2013 #15

Hyperbole much? nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #18

It's OK. I have a license. slackmaster Feb 2013 #19

I am a reporter nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #21

They called up reserves. They were out in force even late in the evening. slackmaster Feb 2013 #24

And...they were responding to calls nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #29

You can bet neighboring states too. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #70

This ought to be good. "Gun control fanatics and cop-haters have blood on their hands." Junkdrawer Feb 2013 #25

Find an UNCENSORED copy of Dorner's manifesto and read it slackmaster Feb 2013 #27

Dorner praises Gun Control therefore... Junkdrawer Feb 2013 #31

I was going to blame Ellen, actually. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #63

C'mon, EVERYone knows it's Bill Cosby's fault Duer 157099 Feb 2013 #81

Yup I read it nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #34

I suspect that Dorner is delusional, but because of his unsound methods he'll never get a fair... slackmaster Feb 2013 #74

Or, we might turn that around Duer 157099 Feb 2013 #82

I don't see that as in any way an excuse for killing people who weren't even involved in his case slackmaster Feb 2013 #93

Your confidence is appreciated and justified Duer 157099 Feb 2013 #97

I'll be SHOCKED if they bother to take him alive. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #108

I would like to read that. Pat Riot Feb 2013 #103

Uncensored manifesto here magellan Feb 2013 #189

Thank you. Pat Riot Feb 2013 #216

That photo does not translate as police protection to me. Arkansas Granny Feb 2013 #26

That is precisely my point. They're nervous, and rightly so for their own protection. slackmaster Feb 2013 #28

That was not my point. It looks like protection from the police is needed if they are not Arkansas Granny Feb 2013 #32

agree strongly.........NT kooljerk666 Feb 2013 #100

+1 uponit7771 Feb 2013 #52

It looks *exactly* like police protection to me Duer 157099 Feb 2013 #86

+1 OrwellwasRight Feb 2013 #173

WTF????? ljm2002 Feb 2013 #101

you are out of your fucking mind man frylock Feb 2013 #169

Oh, come on now, be honest. If you had indulged in a taste of the coalition_unwilling Feb 2013 #17

Rampart 2 nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #20

People who panic under fire should not have guns. nt bemildred Feb 2013 #22

The officers saw what they expected to see, and didn't check in with reality. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2013 #23

I agree, they should be fired. But we know the most likely punishment. Kelselsius Feb 2013 #111

One wonders what the decibel level inside of the vehicle was. John1956PA Feb 2013 #30

ONe thing I notice: cliffordu Feb 2013 #33

Hubby made the exact same comment. nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #36

Well... cliffordu Feb 2013 #37

Another thing I notice... AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #65

And no M-14's either...... cliffordu Feb 2013 #77

were they using 5.56 or just service pistols? nt littlewolf Feb 2013 #140

I donno - I'd bet just 9mm handguns cliffordu Feb 2013 #142

oh come on, they knew exactly what they were doing renegade000 Feb 2013 #115

Well... cliffordu Feb 2013 #126

ROFLMAO! pitbullgirl1965 Feb 2013 #184

Either that, or they unloaded a few rounds of 00 buckshot into the back of the truck. Flatulo Feb 2013 #192

Holy shit, how many shots were fired? BarbaRosa Feb 2013 #35

All of them. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #67

Wonder if Dorner might have yesphan Feb 2013 #38

Christopher Dorner v. LAPD Case File (Anonymous leak): The Straight Story Feb 2013 #40

thanks for posting that.... mike_c Feb 2013 #128

Bell hop guy pissed me off SamHarris2012 Feb 2013 #159

The additional link Whoopdedoo Feb 2013 #136

This tidbit was way down the page in the LA Times article about LibDemAlways Feb 2013 #39

Cheese is key riced! valerief Feb 2013 #41

Lawsuit for the LAPD, jail for the officers firing the shots. tinrobot Feb 2013 #42

And they weren't even the BAD guy and had no gun. Can you imagine appleannie1 Feb 2013 #44

On the bright side, not from LAPD perspective mind you, nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #55

Here are three pictures from a famous 1930s shooting scene. John1956PA Feb 2013 #61

That is not the first pickup LAPD shot at. appleannie1 Feb 2013 #68

That one wasn't even really a pickup, it's a Honda Ridgeline. They might as well have shot AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #109

Your "little disturbing" would be an understatement for me. In_The_Wind Feb 2013 #46

The "Crime Stoppers" bumper sticker? NCTraveler Feb 2013 #48

Are those all individual rounds fired?... SidDithers Feb 2013 #49

Not as many as this car had in it, they didn't find a gun in this one either Fumesucker Feb 2013 #54

Shotgun pellets don't create that big of holes in metal tailgates. appleannie1 Feb 2013 #59

apple annie is correct....... rdharma Feb 2013 #102

Interesting. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #110

I haven't seen any reports...... rdharma Feb 2013 #119

Dear God. Seventy-one years old and having to deliver newspapers to earn money? Laffy Kat Feb 2013 #56

It's quite a statement about our culture, isn't it? CrispyQ Feb 2013 #113

it's like confusing Rita Moreno for James Earl Jones. TeamPooka Feb 2013 #58

Maybe they were terrorists? demwing Feb 2013 #60

Suspected of being *enemy combatants. westerebus Feb 2013 #76

Then there was this one... Bigmack Feb 2013 #66

Two Seattle police officers ended up shooting at each other. 31 rounds discharged. 0 hits. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #69

hilarious........... kooljerk666 Feb 2013 #98

"Kerlikowske defended the officers saying they had a right to defend" AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #107

stay at home! nyabingi Feb 2013 #71

Good Guys with Guns! Stainless Feb 2013 #72

That is some mighty fine police work there, Lou AngryAmish Feb 2013 #73

All semi autos should be off the streets......cops can't shoot anthing but innocent people & donuts kooljerk666 Feb 2013 #75

See what you get when you recruit from fans of the show "COPS"?... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2013 #80

There should be a very interesting lawsuit Warpy Feb 2013 #87

Statement from their attorney The Straight Story Feb 2013 #88

I think that police department is corrupt, has been corrupt for a long time, despite efforts to MADem Feb 2013 #89

why bother when you have low hanging fruit like MMJ dispensaries.. frylock Feb 2013 #170

Well, that's a separate issue, and I don't think it's about "conviction score sheets." MADem Feb 2013 #174

Dorner has spelled this out in his manifesto. Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2013 #193

The way to solve that problem isn't to kill people, certainly--Serpico, he ain't! nt MADem Feb 2013 #200

That is disturbing. Apophis Feb 2013 #92

This message was self-deleted by its author Little Star Feb 2013 #95

This is a common psychological reaction. rdharma Feb 2013 #99

I was waiting for the recommendation... Blanks Feb 2013 #116

Blanks, every time you make a sarcastic remark like that..... rdharma Feb 2013 #123

It does make them "bad," sorry. OrwellwasRight Feb 2013 #176

No, just human. rdharma Feb 2013 #185

That's a bizarre response. OrwellwasRight Feb 2013 #198

It is about how trained professionals would behave. rdharma Feb 2013 #207

I don't watch John Wayne movies. OrwellwasRight Feb 2013 #209

I haven't been paying close attention to TV, CrispyQ Feb 2013 #104

I don't know how to say this without sounding like an asshole WilliamPitt Feb 2013 #105

No, your question is a sane one regarding an insane situation.... Pachamama Feb 2013 #114

That tag on the ground reads "46." WilliamPitt Feb 2013 #117

...who is teaching the LAPD how to shoot? The Wizard Feb 2013 #122

HEY WilliamPitt Feb 2013 #125

it's not that hard to not kill people WooWooWoo Feb 2013 #157

Yeah, I had a similar thought NoGOPZone Feb 2013 #168

Thank GAWD the good guys had guns and knew how to use them! yellowcanine Feb 2013 #118

Who said they were good guys, the police are a gang. TheKentuckian Feb 2013 #148

Guess that bit of irony was wasted.... yellowcanine Feb 2013 #162

'the vehicle was also "the wrong color and the wrong model,"' yellowcanine Feb 2013 #121

Yellow bastards. They should lose their bloated pensions as well as their jobs. Dawson Leery Feb 2013 #127

I can guarantee this asswipes will not lose their job. Cops very very seldom do. n-t Logical Feb 2013 #152

Wrong car, color, plate, gender, race and two women pitbullgirl1965 Feb 2013 #180

Fire them... Kalidurga Feb 2013 #129

Prosecute them. Iggo Feb 2013 #166

You won't get any argument from me. Kalidurga Feb 2013 #179

Why are you worshiping Dorner? Taverner Feb 2013 #131

The problem with this situation lotsofsnowplease Feb 2013 #132

"Woops .... Hey, sorry 'bout that" lpbk2713 Feb 2013 #134

But but but malaise Feb 2013 #135

It wasn't street justice ... Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2013 #137

^^Probably this limpyhobbler Feb 2013 #178

They will get off with the current standard defense. They were trying to run over the police. rhett o rick Feb 2013 #139

Better than the chickenshit one they used to use: "I was afraid for my life." Iggo Feb 2013 #165

K&R DeSwiss Feb 2013 #143

It's a good thing they didn't use a drone missile, Uncle Joe Feb 2013 #145

Give em a few more years. It'll be standard procedure. nt raouldukelives Feb 2013 #153

I feel kind of bad if a 71 year old needs to deliver papers too. DaveJ Feb 2013 #149

Thank god for this, but Curmudgeoness Feb 2013 #150

will those cops be held accountable? d_b Feb 2013 #154

will these cops be trained? icarusxat Feb 2013 #161

BANG...Bang...Bang...Bang... revmclaren Feb 2013 #158

Hate to see LAPD get a lot disturbing, then. DirkGently Feb 2013 #160

Driving while black. Ugh! blkmusclmachine Feb 2013 #163

Memo to the LAPD Wolf Frankula Feb 2013 #164

everything about that picture is disturbing.... spanone Feb 2013 #167

"two older, small Latina women don't look like a large black man"---Maybe TOGETHER... :-P WinkyDink Feb 2013 #175

Drone On gussmith Feb 2013 #177

And the truck looked nothing at all like the guy's truck. complain jane Feb 2013 #187

Remember: How do you stop a bad guy with a gun, a good guy with a gun. L.A.TEXAS Feb 2013 #195

Forty or so bullets fired into the vehicle by gun experts. Two bullets found their mark. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #197

8000 or so gun homicides in an average year Recursion Feb 2013 #199

The cops were not nearly that efficient. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #208

Gee. The LAPD shooting first and asking questions later. Color me surprised. tjwash Feb 2013 #203

the "C" word Agony Feb 2013 #219