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Why can't you let people on the kill list defend themselves or at least surrender? [View all] BlueCheese Feb 2013 OP

Amen Sen Wyden Taverner Feb 2013 #1

Should they have done that with bin laden? still_one Feb 2013 #2

Obviously not. BlueCheese Feb 2013 #3

Gee when you think about it, people who take up assault rifles aod go on a spree are equal or 2on2u Feb 2013 #9

These American citizens have joined forces with our enemy and are participating kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #19

Again, you're using the fact that someone is targeted as proof of his guilt. BlueCheese Feb 2013 #23

Not at all tama Feb 2013 #88

Your little PEACE thingy Hillary2016 Feb 2013 #34

war is peace Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #81

Which Americans are you talking about tama Feb 2013 #87

Why not? Gidney N Cloyd Feb 2013 #4

Well, gee, bin Laden was supposedly unarmed when found Art_from_Ark Feb 2013 #5

The assignment was to capture Bin Laden alive if possible. Kablooie Feb 2013 #57

wink wink Recursion Feb 2013 #66

Of course tama Feb 2013 #89

Why couldn't a drone just taze the alleged american gone awry.... they would surely mend 2on2u Feb 2013 #6

Because doing such things would make us look like civilized wusses instead of badasses. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2013 #7

More "Catch-22" than Orwell. . . Journeyman Feb 2013 #8

Yes, I thought of using Catch 22 instead. BlueCheese Feb 2013 #12

You act like these "Americans" are just Bob and June from up the street on vacation. MrSlayer Feb 2013 #10

And we know this... how? MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #13

How did you know the guy in Alabama actually kidnapped the kid? Recursion Feb 2013 #17

The list is secret. The evidence is secret. BlueCheese Feb 2013 #27

War intel isn't "evidence". Being in Al Qaeda isn't a crime. Recursion Feb 2013 #35

Okay, I think I understand your point. BlueCheese Feb 2013 #44

I would *ABSOLUTELY* support repealing the AUMF Recursion Feb 2013 #47

I see. I think we actually agree a fair amount. BlueCheese Feb 2013 #51

I don't know that I had fully articulated my thoughts either beforehand Recursion Feb 2013 #55

We don't know and we're not going to know. MrSlayer Feb 2013 #25

I respectfully disagree. BlueCheese Feb 2013 #16

And I explained why they can't make the information public. MrSlayer Feb 2013 #30

What if you weren't but our spies have you confused with someone else? BlueCheese Feb 2013 #32

These are not instantaneous decisions. MrSlayer Feb 2013 #42

I think where you and I disagree is how much we can trust our spooks. BlueCheese Feb 2013 #48

But we weren't certain of WMD. MrSlayer Feb 2013 #60

Thanks for the discussion. BlueCheese Feb 2013 #61

You're welcome. MrSlayer Feb 2013 #63

How do YOO know? YOO don't. TheKentuckian Feb 2013 #18

Yeah it kind of is in these instances. MrSlayer Feb 2013 #37

Wow dreamnightwind Feb 2013 #53

Don't you think the people in charge know the players? MrSlayer Feb 2013 #68

Whatever, couldn't disagree more though - nt dreamnightwind Feb 2013 #72

Well enough. MrSlayer Feb 2013 #74

+1 SunSeeker Feb 2013 #56

How do you know? 840high Feb 2013 #69

I've answered this already. MrSlayer Feb 2013 #71

This is fucked. Utterly fucked. MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #11

AQ is an organization known for strapping explosives to people Recursion Feb 2013 #14

But the white paper claims the right to kill Americans who pose far less immediate a threat. BlueCheese Feb 2013 #22

I never said the guy was involved in an active plot Recursion Feb 2013 #24

The white paper specifically says that citizens we kill... BlueCheese Feb 2013 #28

I never said he was planning anything in the immediate future Recursion Feb 2013 #36

In your example it's at least plausible that he's about to do something. BlueCheese Feb 2013 #39

Drones are only a small component of this Recursion Feb 2013 #41

This is war. This is not a police action. kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #15

This strikes me as an argument frequently heard during the Bush administration. BlueCheese Feb 2013 #21

Here's the clip ProSense Feb 2013 #20

American citizens in the Taliban have surrendered, too (nt) Recursion Feb 2013 #26

Then why won't Imperial Minister Brennan answer the very simple question? MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #29

He did: ProSense Feb 2013 #46

Not working on my iPad. MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #49

You're right MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #58

They can give themselves up at any time, anywhere in the world. baldguy Feb 2013 #31

How? The list is secret. BlueCheese Feb 2013 #33

True, you would think though that if they joined al-Qaeda or were involved in plotting cstanleytech Feb 2013 #50

What if you haven't joined al-Qaeda, but unbeknownst to you... BlueCheese Feb 2013 #52

Or what if you think you have joined an CIA fake al-Qaeda that is run by fake CIA agent who cstanleytech Feb 2013 #54

Yeah because no one ever ends up on the "no fly" list by mistake. bighart Feb 2013 #84

Do you seriously believe that anyone involved with al Qaeda doesn't know what they're involved in? baldguy Feb 2013 #62

Won't they be killed if identified? MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #40

Depends. Would the on-edge E-3 you surrender to at the consulate know you're even on the list? Recursion Feb 2013 #43

This message was self-deleted by its author MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #45

K & R !!! WillyT Feb 2013 #38

Rumsfeld's "known unknowns" quote seems appropriate after reading this thread: neverforget Feb 2013 #59

They can. The Uniform Code of Military Justice always applies bhikkhu Feb 2013 #64

Wait! I'm just an 8 year old child.... obxhead Feb 2013 #65

Obama and his henchmen are no better than Bush and Cheney...... Swede Atlanta Feb 2013 #67

A picky point that I think is important. rhett o rick Feb 2013 #70

Collateral damage has ALWAYS been 'acceptable' in war. randome Feb 2013 #80

This message was self-deleted by its author Herlong Feb 2013 #73

Wouldn't Orwell be shocked by 2012? Coyotl Feb 2013 #75

Martin Luther King Mountain Top, Freedom speech, Herlong Feb 2013 #76

Riiiiight - just look at how well the no-fly lists work Smilo Feb 2013 #77

So is America like, over now, or what? limpyhobbler Feb 2013 #78

Thank goodness the Obama Administration will be in power for the rest of time MNBrewer Feb 2013 #79

It's amazing how these things progress Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #82

And as far as I know it's still illegal to assassinate foreign heads of state even if they do bighart Feb 2013 #85

Wow, excellent point! But then, heads of state are in the club Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #86

"Smile for the missile." CrispyQ Feb 2013 #83