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36. Just curious, but when's the last time a drone was used on an American in the US or....

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 05:49 PM

Feb 2013

...US territories? Or do you believe that's actually being done?

One more question....do you believe the Americans overseas who have chosen to be enemy combatants deserve due process even though they don't fall under the provisions of the 6th Amendment?

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It’s One Of The Craziest Internet Rumors About Guns. And As It Turns Out, It’s True. [View all] HarveyDarkey Feb 2013 OP

We're awash in a sea of guns.... Junkdrawer Feb 2013 #1

Now edit the chart to reflect only homicides... derby378 Feb 2013 #2

It seems I heard somewhere it was about a third of that, but Hissyspit Feb 2013 #4

I read it is 60 percent that are suicides. nt Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #43

Aren't suicides by gun nineteen50 Feb 2013 #172

Perhaps preventable with some funding and Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #190

The VPC article twists the facts. GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #47

Or the children who just get wounded with the family gun.....nt Walk away Feb 2013 #79

Rate is about 1 per 100,000 per year. GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #82

Actually, usually juvenile or child should refer to those under the age of 18. JDPriestly Feb 2013 #120

Nope. Child is pre-puberty. Little child is pre-school. GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #128

Thank you, this deserves it's own OP. Flatulo Feb 2013 #92

Oh, so drug dealers and drug users don't count? AllyCat Feb 2013 #114

It means that I am unlikely to be murdered by someone that I know. GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #117

You're making that up aren't you? nt. druidity33 Feb 2013 #151

No, not made up. Based on solid studies and common sense. GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #153

Your "common sense" is anecdotal... druidity33 Feb 2013 #184

And I know a man who is 80 and smokes. GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #187

you don't understand anecdotal evidence, do you? druidity33 Feb 2013 #189

I am saying, that almost all of the killers were already criminals. GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #192

If you are law-abiding, no bad person could possibly ever come in contact with you. AllyCat Feb 2013 #164

Put the straw man back in the barn. GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #168

Just like the Columbine HS killers knew most of their victims ThoughtCriminal Feb 2013 #174

Put the strawman back in the barn. GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #179

Scarecrows all around then. At least they won't kill anyone. AllyCat Feb 2013 #185

I don't know what could be gleaned by doing that tkmorris Feb 2013 #6

I think a lot can be gleaned from it Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #49

And then add in all the years prior to 1968. progressoid Feb 2013 #8

Battle deaths.... Historic NY Feb 2013 #25

When did the drug war start? Glassunion Feb 2013 #58

War on Cancer did too... Historic NY Feb 2013 #126

Why? gcomeau Feb 2013 #10

because of lalalalalalalalalalala.. frylock Feb 2013 #11

I think you were the first to ask something in this vein, so here goes... derby378 Feb 2013 #48

The original post does not separate murders from any other gun death auburngrad82 Feb 2013 #154

You mean fiddle the figures intaglio Feb 2013 #13

Why should the chart be edited? City Lights Feb 2013 #15

why? accidents, homicides, both are preventable. robinlynne Feb 2013 #17

Accidents and homicides account for just barely over 1/3 of that. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #26

They are preventable in some cases. n/t Gore1FL Feb 2013 #37

I would agree with that. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #38

none of which are nearly as effective BainsBane Feb 2013 #104

Why did you compare it to one of the least effective methods just now? AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #109

Because those are the most common methods BainsBane Feb 2013 #131

I didn't say they were inconsequential. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #144

that is true in regard to most gun control measures BainsBane Feb 2013 #166

Personally, I would just AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #167

I'm glad we agree on that BainsBane Feb 2013 #169

Suicide was known long before guns were invented. GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #119

hello BainsBane Feb 2013 #127

I did. GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #132

to make guns look bad? BainsBane Feb 2013 #136

No other method is as lethal - bullshit. GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #139

find the stats BainsBane Feb 2013 #141

I can easily list 100% methods. GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #142

You fail to grasp the point BainsBane Feb 2013 #176

So you think someone can survive being beheaded? GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #177

How many people kill themselves by beheading? BainsBane Feb 2013 #180

Because you seem to insist that only guns have high lethality. GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #182

there is no such thing as 100% lethality BainsBane Feb 2013 #188

Show me someone who has surived decapitation. GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #191

Well actually theKed Feb 2013 #145

Try comparing guns to jumping from a very high place. GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #146

of course. implicit. gun regalualtions would prevent hndreds if not thusands of accidents AND homici robinlynne Feb 2013 #46

The set "homicide" includes "accident" jberryhill Feb 2013 #52

Because the only gun deaths that count rbixby Feb 2013 #31

Because people involved in non-homicide gun deaths are less dead. WilliamPitt Feb 2013 #34

Cause a young child accidentally shooting his or her friend/sibling doesn't count? justiceischeap Feb 2013 #39

It would be good if you knew the definition of "homicide" jberryhill Feb 2013 #50

What difference does that make? You mean someone would suicide with valerief Feb 2013 #59

No, chocolate of course Major Nikon Feb 2013 #89

Torture and death are okay, but that contains hemp!!!11!!!111111!! Festivito Feb 2013 #100

So those deaths don't count? Major Nikon Feb 2013 #87

Your words, not mine... derby378 Feb 2013 #99

You were the one who suggested to count only homicides Major Nikon Feb 2013 #158

Homicides are only part of the problem lark Feb 2013 #102

I agree... derby378 Feb 2013 #108

Sorry, but more children are gun murdered than die in gun accidents. GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #134

NO! WHY? Because you ATTEMPT suicide with drugs... TheMadMonk Feb 2013 #124

Why? Gun death is gun death bowens43 Feb 2013 #130

Why? Marr Feb 2013 #148

Explains why some of us think it's ok to take each other out with drones whatchamacallit Feb 2013 #3

Just curious, but when's the last time a drone was used on an American in the US or.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #36

Fixed it for you dreamnightwind Feb 2013 #55

Uh, no....I got it right the first time. I stand by the wording in my post. nt. OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #56

Be my guest, it's still wrong though dreamnightwind Feb 2013 #91

Think you are missing the point lark Feb 2013 #103

Yes, and I would extend that concern dreamnightwind Feb 2013 #112

It has been done before, in this country. GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #137

Yes. A stupid, immmoral one truebluegreen Feb 2013 #159

"and their families, friends and neighbors" Doctor_J Feb 2013 #157

That's what the LAPD is for. Glassunion Feb 2013 #61

Du rec. Nt xchrom Feb 2013 #5

Reminds me of a Wise Teacher...They who live by the sword, shall die by the sword. libdem4life Feb 2013 #7

Add to that the newer saying . . . another_liberal Feb 2013 #86

I'm not at all surprised. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2013 #9

I'd like to see this data sorted by geography. I suspect that homicides are heavily skewed Flatulo Feb 2013 #12

Just move if you don't want to get shot! It's that easy!!!!!!!11 tridim Feb 2013 #14

Actually, getting killed by all weapons is more likely in the city. If you're worried about being Flatulo Feb 2013 #19

I'm not worried about any of those things. tridim Feb 2013 #33

I applaud your attitude. Life is too short to spend in fear. Flatulo Feb 2013 #53

I live in the big city and feel perfectly safe. When I lived in a tiny kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #68

Obviously YMMV. There area higher crime areas in every big city. Flatulo Feb 2013 #72

Many folks aren't rich enough to move. N/T GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #97

More people get shot where more people live tkmorris Feb 2013 #16

I doubt very much if its even remotely linear as you suggest. Flatulo Feb 2013 #18

Of course not, I was being flip tkmorris Feb 2013 #54

No - where there is concentrated poverty in cities are where the shooting is hack89 Feb 2013 #20

Correct. Like most analyses, the data gets smeared by lack of resolution. Flatulo Feb 2013 #22

So the point is what? If the results are skewed urban, that's OK? Because urban people Squinch Feb 2013 #27

Wow, that's quite a heated debate you're having with yourself. Flatulo Feb 2013 #57

You might want to check out up-to-date statistics on violent crime. truebluegreen Feb 2013 #160

Although violent crime has been dropping across the board for 20 years, urban firearm Flatulo Feb 2013 #170

Nice try. truebluegreen Feb 2013 #173

Let's see your data. Flatulo Feb 2013 #181

if you want to do some serious wading, go here: truebluegreen Feb 2013 #186

And if you're not afraid of being shot, why on earth do you have a gun? DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2013 #45

I'm not afraid of anything, really. I've had a gun for over 40 years and haven't ever had to use it Flatulo Feb 2013 #70

Can't say I agree with you, but thanks for the reply. n/t DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2013 #90

And thank you for being civil. I grew up with guns in my family and had my own .22 rifle when I was Flatulo Feb 2013 #95

Gun deaths aren't all homicides. Look at all the stories of little kids killing themselves valerief Feb 2013 #64

Agreed, and I didn't meant to imply that kids getting killed by accident isn't a problem. Flatulo Feb 2013 #76

Rate is about 1 per million children per year. GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #84

Does that include the kids who shoot other kids? valerief Feb 2013 #113

Yes, it does. All accidental gun deaths. GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #115

I do. nt valerief Feb 2013 #116

You don't have the votes to take my guns away. N/T GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #118

I think it the FBI or Niceguy1 Feb 2013 #73

Gangsters, huh? lol me b zola Feb 2013 #77

Do you live near a big city? I'm outside Boston, and almost every night there's a shooting there Flatulo Feb 2013 #96

Here's some related data for discussion: greyl Feb 2013 #78

Funny... av8r1998 Feb 2013 #21

Yes, suicides are very funny. maxsolomon Feb 2013 #23

Funny as in "Strange", not funny as in "Ha Ha" av8r1998 Feb 2013 #35

It's supposed to be a generalized, inclusive number. A point is being made. maxsolomon Feb 2013 #40

Generalization is rarely of any intellectual value av8r1998 Feb 2013 #63

Again, you are using Pro-firearm Sophistry to tear down a GENERAL POINT. maxsolomon Feb 2013 #175

My problem is with the flawed comparison av8r1998 Feb 2013 #183

Blah blah blah. From your postings it seems you have enjoyed your brief FailureToCommunicate Feb 2013 #71

So... you can only be a Democrat if you're anti-gun? av8r1998 Feb 2013 #75

No, I'm saying your posts have -so far- been about debating details of gun rights and FailureToCommunicate Feb 2013 #85

I assure you that there are many issues here with which I agree av8r1998 Feb 2013 #101

So you are certain we Democrats are "dead wrong on guns"? And you will raise FailureToCommunicate Feb 2013 #125

Seriously? av8r1998 Feb 2013 #135

Wow. You cite a piece by a regular pro-gun commentator for the Washington Times (!) FailureToCommunicate Feb 2013 #143

thanks av8r1998 Feb 2013 #152

But it wasn't. Squinch Feb 2013 #28

You may have to believe it, thucythucy Feb 2013 #62

All three friends... av8r1998 Feb 2013 #74

I'm sorry for your friends, and for you as well. thucythucy Feb 2013 #80

thank you av8r1998 Feb 2013 #81

Alcohol is also definitely a factor thucythucy Feb 2013 #83

In all 3 circumstances av8r1998 Feb 2013 #98

"Greatest Country In The World" but so many are thinking of offing themselves. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2013 #149

Cool, Thom Hartmann just gave you a shout out on his show. n/t Liberal In Texas Feb 2013 #24

I heard it on XM the left too Omaha Steve Feb 2013 #41

We live in a sick country ramapo Feb 2013 #29

No wonder we're so supportive when they want to "get their war on" whatchamacallit Feb 2013 #32

Just a little devils advocate thought here. Cleita Feb 2013 #30

Its pretty jaw dropping just in itself. napoleon_in_rags Feb 2013 #42

I agree about the justification of needing guns. Cleita Feb 2013 #44

We have cut our murder and manslaughter rate in half since 1992 hack89 Feb 2013 #138

Damn. We just may have found a new use for drones! Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #51

This is good right? amuse bouche Feb 2013 #60

A small price to pay for freedumb Doctor_J Feb 2013 #155

The GOP Plan seems to be to Turbineguy Feb 2013 #65

The folks running the country always want a young (read malleable) population valerief Feb 2013 #69

Undeniable. yellerpup Feb 2013 #66

Facts are to the pro-NRA crowd what garlic is to a vampire: when they're not busy screaming apocalypsehow Feb 2013 #67

Disagree Nevernose Feb 2013 #105

and yet people still support more guns samsingh Feb 2013 #88

The war deaths are based on a Congressional Research Service report... DreamGypsy Feb 2013 #93

And at least 45% of the War deaths were Americans killing Americans blahblah98 Feb 2013 #94

American Exceptionalism at work. nt truebluegreen Feb 2013 #162

Wow - got to steal this one. rurallib Feb 2013 #106

I fear things will only get worse Loge23 Feb 2013 #107

Did anyone ever compare both statistics? Gentle-man Feb 2013 #110

The GOP response is clearly to "bring democracy" to other countries. BadgerKid Feb 2013 #111

There ya go. You betcha! truebluegreen Feb 2013 #163

At first I didn't believe it but Peace_Sells Feb 2013 #121

Iraq War deaths 4,486 ---- The American Revolution 4,435 underpants Feb 2013 #122

yeah but if you adjust the graph to represent silver bullets indivisibleman Feb 2013 #123

Granny git yer fuck'n gun. lonestarnot Feb 2013 #129

Now edit out the right handed gun deaths grantcart Feb 2013 #133

And the gun deaths due to illegal weapons Doctor_J Feb 2013 #156

Those numbers obviously fail frustrated_lefty Feb 2013 #140

How many since the 2nd Amendment was passed? moondust Feb 2013 #147

Why pick nits? King_Klonopin Feb 2013 #150

Denominators? dmallind Feb 2013 #161

We Are At War With Each Other All Enabled By A Depraved Gun Culture cantbeserious Feb 2013 #165

Since 1968. That's even worse BlueStreak Feb 2013 #171

No. Duh, remember Dpm12 Feb 2013 #178