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We're awash in a sea of guns.... Junkdrawer Feb 2013 #1
Now edit the chart to reflect only homicides... derby378 Feb 2013 #2
It seems I heard somewhere it was about a third of that, but Hissyspit Feb 2013 #4
I read it is 60 percent that are suicides. nt Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #43
Aren't suicides by gun nineteen50 Feb 2013 #172
Perhaps preventable with some funding and Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #190
The VPC article twists the facts. GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #47
Or the children who just get wounded with the family gun.....nt Walk away Feb 2013 #79
Rate is about 1 per 100,000 per year. GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #82
Actually, usually juvenile or child should refer to those under the age of 18. JDPriestly Feb 2013 #120
Nope. Child is pre-puberty. Little child is pre-school. GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #128
Thank you, this deserves it's own OP. Flatulo Feb 2013 #92
Oh, so drug dealers and drug users don't count? AllyCat Feb 2013 #114
It means that I am unlikely to be murdered by someone that I know. GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #117
You're making that up aren't you? nt. druidity33 Feb 2013 #151
No, not made up. Based on solid studies and common sense. GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #153
Your "common sense" is anecdotal... druidity33 Feb 2013 #184
And I know a man who is 80 and smokes. GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #187
you don't understand anecdotal evidence, do you? druidity33 Feb 2013 #189
I am saying, that almost all of the killers were already criminals. GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #192
If you are law-abiding, no bad person could possibly ever come in contact with you. AllyCat Feb 2013 #164
Put the straw man back in the barn. GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #168
Just like the Columbine HS killers knew most of their victims ThoughtCriminal Feb 2013 #174
Put the strawman back in the barn. GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #179
Scarecrows all around then. At least they won't kill anyone. AllyCat Feb 2013 #185
I don't know what could be gleaned by doing that tkmorris Feb 2013 #6
I think a lot can be gleaned from it Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #49
And then add in all the years prior to 1968. progressoid Feb 2013 #8
Battle deaths.... Historic NY Feb 2013 #25
When did the drug war start? Glassunion Feb 2013 #58
War on Cancer did too... Historic NY Feb 2013 #126
Why? gcomeau Feb 2013 #10
because of lalalalalalalalalalala.. frylock Feb 2013 #11
I think you were the first to ask something in this vein, so here goes... derby378 Feb 2013 #48
The original post does not separate murders from any other gun death auburngrad82 Feb 2013 #154
You mean fiddle the figures intaglio Feb 2013 #13
Why should the chart be edited? City Lights Feb 2013 #15
why? accidents, homicides, both are preventable. robinlynne Feb 2013 #17
Accidents and homicides account for just barely over 1/3 of that. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #26
They are preventable in some cases. n/t Gore1FL Feb 2013 #37
I would agree with that. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #38
none of which are nearly as effective BainsBane Feb 2013 #104
Why did you compare it to one of the least effective methods just now? AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #109
Because those are the most common methods BainsBane Feb 2013 #131
I didn't say they were inconsequential. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #144
that is true in regard to most gun control measures BainsBane Feb 2013 #166
Personally, I would just AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #167
I'm glad we agree on that BainsBane Feb 2013 #169
Suicide was known long before guns were invented. GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #119
hello BainsBane Feb 2013 #127
I did. GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #132
to make guns look bad? BainsBane Feb 2013 #136
No other method is as lethal - bullshit. GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #139
find the stats BainsBane Feb 2013 #141
I can easily list 100% methods. GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #142
You fail to grasp the point BainsBane Feb 2013 #176
So you think someone can survive being beheaded? GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #177
How many people kill themselves by beheading? BainsBane Feb 2013 #180
Because you seem to insist that only guns have high lethality. GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #182
there is no such thing as 100% lethality BainsBane Feb 2013 #188
Show me someone who has surived decapitation. GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #191
Well actually theKed Feb 2013 #145
Try comparing guns to jumping from a very high place. GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #146
of course. implicit. gun regalualtions would prevent hndreds if not thusands of accidents AND homici robinlynne Feb 2013 #46
The set "homicide" includes "accident" jberryhill Feb 2013 #52
Because the only gun deaths that count rbixby Feb 2013 #31
Because people involved in non-homicide gun deaths are less dead. WilliamPitt Feb 2013 #34
Cause a young child accidentally shooting his or her friend/sibling doesn't count? justiceischeap Feb 2013 #39
It would be good if you knew the definition of "homicide" jberryhill Feb 2013 #50
What difference does that make? You mean someone would suicide with valerief Feb 2013 #59
No, chocolate of course Major Nikon Feb 2013 #89
Torture and death are okay, but that contains hemp!!!11!!!111111!! Festivito Feb 2013 #100
So those deaths don't count? Major Nikon Feb 2013 #87
Your words, not mine... derby378 Feb 2013 #99
You were the one who suggested to count only homicides Major Nikon Feb 2013 #158
Homicides are only part of the problem lark Feb 2013 #102
I agree... derby378 Feb 2013 #108
Sorry, but more children are gun murdered than die in gun accidents. GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #134
NO! WHY? Because you ATTEMPT suicide with drugs... TheMadMonk Feb 2013 #124
Why? Gun death is gun death bowens43 Feb 2013 #130
Why? Marr Feb 2013 #148
Explains why some of us think it's ok to take each other out with drones whatchamacallit Feb 2013 #3
Just curious, but when's the last time a drone was used on an American in the US or.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #36
Fixed it for you dreamnightwind Feb 2013 #55
Uh, no....I got it right the first time. I stand by the wording in my post. nt. OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #56
Be my guest, it's still wrong though dreamnightwind Feb 2013 #91
Think you are missing the point lark Feb 2013 #103
Yes, and I would extend that concern dreamnightwind Feb 2013 #112
It has been done before, in this country. GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #137
Yes. A stupid, immmoral one truebluegreen Feb 2013 #159
"and their families, friends and neighbors" Doctor_J Feb 2013 #157
That's what the LAPD is for. Glassunion Feb 2013 #61
Du rec. Nt xchrom Feb 2013 #5
Reminds me of a Wise Teacher...They who live by the sword, shall die by the sword. libdem4life Feb 2013 #7
Add to that the newer saying . . . another_liberal Feb 2013 #86
I'm not at all surprised. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2013 #9
I'd like to see this data sorted by geography. I suspect that homicides are heavily skewed Flatulo Feb 2013 #12
Just move if you don't want to get shot! It's that easy!!!!!!!11 tridim Feb 2013 #14
Actually, getting killed by all weapons is more likely in the city. If you're worried about being Flatulo Feb 2013 #19
I'm not worried about any of those things. tridim Feb 2013 #33
I applaud your attitude. Life is too short to spend in fear. Flatulo Feb 2013 #53
I live in the big city and feel perfectly safe. When I lived in a tiny kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #68
Obviously YMMV. There area higher crime areas in every big city. Flatulo Feb 2013 #72
Many folks aren't rich enough to move. N/T GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #97
More people get shot where more people live tkmorris Feb 2013 #16
I doubt very much if its even remotely linear as you suggest. Flatulo Feb 2013 #18
Of course not, I was being flip tkmorris Feb 2013 #54
No - where there is concentrated poverty in cities are where the shooting is hack89 Feb 2013 #20
Correct. Like most analyses, the data gets smeared by lack of resolution. Flatulo Feb 2013 #22
So the point is what? If the results are skewed urban, that's OK? Because urban people Squinch Feb 2013 #27
Wow, that's quite a heated debate you're having with yourself. Flatulo Feb 2013 #57
You might want to check out up-to-date statistics on violent crime. truebluegreen Feb 2013 #160
Although violent crime has been dropping across the board for 20 years, urban firearm Flatulo Feb 2013 #170
Nice try. truebluegreen Feb 2013 #173
Let's see your data. Flatulo Feb 2013 #181
if you want to do some serious wading, go here: truebluegreen Feb 2013 #186
And if you're not afraid of being shot, why on earth do you have a gun? DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2013 #45
I'm not afraid of anything, really. I've had a gun for over 40 years and haven't ever had to use it Flatulo Feb 2013 #70
Can't say I agree with you, but thanks for the reply. n/t DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2013 #90
And thank you for being civil. I grew up with guns in my family and had my own .22 rifle when I was Flatulo Feb 2013 #95
Gun deaths aren't all homicides. Look at all the stories of little kids killing themselves valerief Feb 2013 #64
Agreed, and I didn't meant to imply that kids getting killed by accident isn't a problem. Flatulo Feb 2013 #76
Rate is about 1 per million children per year. GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #84
Does that include the kids who shoot other kids? valerief Feb 2013 #113
Yes, it does. All accidental gun deaths. GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #115
I do. nt valerief Feb 2013 #116
You don't have the votes to take my guns away. N/T GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #118
I think it the FBI or Niceguy1 Feb 2013 #73
Gangsters, huh? lol me b zola Feb 2013 #77
Do you live near a big city? I'm outside Boston, and almost every night there's a shooting there Flatulo Feb 2013 #96
Here's some related data for discussion: greyl Feb 2013 #78
Funny... av8r1998 Feb 2013 #21
Yes, suicides are very funny. maxsolomon Feb 2013 #23
Funny as in "Strange", not funny as in "Ha Ha" av8r1998 Feb 2013 #35
It's supposed to be a generalized, inclusive number. A point is being made. maxsolomon Feb 2013 #40
Generalization is rarely of any intellectual value av8r1998 Feb 2013 #63
Again, you are using Pro-firearm Sophistry to tear down a GENERAL POINT. maxsolomon Feb 2013 #175
My problem is with the flawed comparison av8r1998 Feb 2013 #183
Blah blah blah. From your postings it seems you have enjoyed your brief FailureToCommunicate Feb 2013 #71
So... you can only be a Democrat if you're anti-gun? av8r1998 Feb 2013 #75
No, I'm saying your posts have -so far- been about debating details of gun rights and FailureToCommunicate Feb 2013 #85
I assure you that there are many issues here with which I agree av8r1998 Feb 2013 #101
So you are certain we Democrats are "dead wrong on guns"? And you will raise FailureToCommunicate Feb 2013 #125
Seriously? av8r1998 Feb 2013 #135
Wow. You cite a piece by a regular pro-gun commentator for the Washington Times (!) FailureToCommunicate Feb 2013 #143
thanks av8r1998 Feb 2013 #152
But it wasn't. Squinch Feb 2013 #28
You may have to believe it, thucythucy Feb 2013 #62
All three friends... av8r1998 Feb 2013 #74
I'm sorry for your friends, and for you as well. thucythucy Feb 2013 #80
thank you av8r1998 Feb 2013 #81
Alcohol is also definitely a factor thucythucy Feb 2013 #83
In all 3 circumstances av8r1998 Feb 2013 #98
"Greatest Country In The World" but so many are thinking of offing themselves. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2013 #149
Cool, Thom Hartmann just gave you a shout out on his show. n/t Liberal In Texas Feb 2013 #24
I heard it on XM the left too Omaha Steve Feb 2013 #41
We live in a sick country ramapo Feb 2013 #29
No wonder we're so supportive when they want to "get their war on" whatchamacallit Feb 2013 #32
Just a little devils advocate thought here. Cleita Feb 2013 #30
Its pretty jaw dropping just in itself. napoleon_in_rags Feb 2013 #42
I agree about the justification of needing guns. Cleita Feb 2013 #44
We have cut our murder and manslaughter rate in half since 1992 hack89 Feb 2013 #138
Damn. We just may have found a new use for drones! Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #51
This is good right? amuse bouche Feb 2013 #60
A small price to pay for freedumb Doctor_J Feb 2013 #155
The GOP Plan seems to be to Turbineguy Feb 2013 #65
The folks running the country always want a young (read malleable) population valerief Feb 2013 #69
Undeniable. yellerpup Feb 2013 #66
Facts are to the pro-NRA crowd what garlic is to a vampire: when they're not busy screaming apocalypsehow Feb 2013 #67
Disagree Nevernose Feb 2013 #105
and yet people still support more guns samsingh Feb 2013 #88
The war deaths are based on a Congressional Research Service report... DreamGypsy Feb 2013 #93
And at least 45% of the War deaths were Americans killing Americans blahblah98 Feb 2013 #94
American Exceptionalism at work. nt truebluegreen Feb 2013 #162
Wow - got to steal this one. rurallib Feb 2013 #106
I fear things will only get worse Loge23 Feb 2013 #107
Did anyone ever compare both statistics? Gentle-man Feb 2013 #110
The GOP response is clearly to "bring democracy" to other countries. BadgerKid Feb 2013 #111
There ya go. You betcha! truebluegreen Feb 2013 #163
At first I didn't believe it but Peace_Sells Feb 2013 #121
Iraq War deaths 4,486 ---- The American Revolution 4,435 underpants Feb 2013 #122
yeah but if you adjust the graph to represent silver bullets indivisibleman Feb 2013 #123
Granny git yer fuck'n gun. lonestarnot Feb 2013 #129
Now edit out the right handed gun deaths grantcart Feb 2013 #133
And the gun deaths due to illegal weapons Doctor_J Feb 2013 #156
Those numbers obviously fail frustrated_lefty Feb 2013 #140
How many since the 2nd Amendment was passed? moondust Feb 2013 #147
Why pick nits? King_Klonopin Feb 2013 #150
Denominators? dmallind Feb 2013 #161
We Are At War With Each Other All Enabled By A Depraved Gun Culture cantbeserious Feb 2013 #165
Since 1968. That's even worse BlueStreak Feb 2013 #171
No. Duh, remember Dpm12 Feb 2013 #178
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