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loose wheel

(112 posts)
105. It's a lot more complex than that.
Wed Feb 6, 2013, 11:04 PM
Feb 2013

What particular ground were these "Native Americans" standing on, and did it belong to their tribe at any time?

I descended from the Walker clan of the Creek indian nation. When European (Spanish) explorers first made contact with our tribe, historical records show that we were engaged in wars with literally every tribe around us, and we seemed to be winning. That being said, it seems that the Delaware Indian tribe had at some point in the past pushed our tribe out of the region around the nation's capital. The other indian tribes were more than happy to meet and ally someone who had superior force of arms.

There are places in Georgia where lines of trees delineated the borders of the Cherokee nation and the Creek nation. My uncles used to tell me about finding arrowheads around them. There are regions in other places where tribes and clans regularly fought over prime hunting land to the point that "ownership" changed hands regularly.

The Aztecs had managed to piss off every tribe around them. When the Spanish showed up the other tribes were more than willing to trade conquerors that had to cross an ocean with conquerors that were next door.

I guess my point is this. There was no Native American nation. There were a collection of small nations, tribes, and clans each with it's own history, it's own likes, it's own enemies, and it's own hatreds. They traded, they fought, they enslaved, and did everything to each other that the tribes that had gunpowder did later.

The thing is the tribe that has gunpowder, domesticated livestock, and metallurgy is just about impossible to stop.

Hello greatest! (greatest thing I saw today anyway) nt Ed Suspicious Feb 2013 #1
Well...if you want be technical about it... sdfernando Feb 2013 #2
Yet somehow I get the feeling that when they traveled here by land bridge they didn't try to impose Sivafae Feb 2013 #9
I'm 100% with you on that bud! sdfernando Feb 2013 #14
Yeah, wait .... what people? n/t RebelOne Feb 2013 #23
AGREED Mr Dixon Feb 2013 #78
There is new speculation they arrived by water first... Brother Buzz Feb 2013 #11
Wonder where they did arrive from, then? Cha Feb 2013 #13
West coast by Asia Brother Buzz Feb 2013 #19
Thanks Brother Buzz! Cha Feb 2013 #20
Check out this link on Monte Verde, Chile. a la izquierda Feb 2013 #31
Thanks for the link, a la izquierda Cha Feb 2013 #98
Ancient aliens... Obviously. Blanks Feb 2013 #88
I'm going to have to read up on that. sdfernando Feb 2013 #16
Who were the giants that were stone builders? AnotherDreamWeaver Feb 2013 #36
And the Gavin Menzies book "The Lost Empire of Atlantis" AnotherDreamWeaver Feb 2013 #38
Meh. Gavin Menzies talks about a lot of things. (nt) Posteritatis Feb 2013 #94
When the legend becomes fact, print the legend Brother Buzz Feb 2013 #39
I would love to go visit there. Thanks for the video and link. freshwest Feb 2013 #51
Very, very interesting. This is the first I have ever heard of the mound builders. n/t RebelOne Feb 2013 #85
The Clovis-first arguement has been dead for a decade for most younger archaeologists. blackspade Feb 2013 #45
I thought they did a reasonable job of explaining it to this pedestrian Brother Buzz Feb 2013 #48
I don't disagree really. blackspade Feb 2013 #49
Actually, no. Apophis Feb 2013 #53
I have to disagree. blackspade Feb 2013 #66
I'm in grad school for archaeology. Apophis Feb 2013 #67
Which program? blackspade Feb 2013 #71
Ah. The Solutrean Hypothesis. Apophis Feb 2013 #52
Evidence of the Solutrean hypothesis is all wet Brother Buzz Feb 2013 #55
Still makes them first nation no matter how they arrived. n/t Cleita Feb 2013 #77
There are wackadoodle theories out there implying they weren't the first Brother Buzz Feb 2013 #80
I know it's the Caucasians got here first. BS. Cleita Feb 2013 #86
No, no, no Brother Buzz Feb 2013 #87
What about the large sized red headed cave men? reverend_tim Feb 2013 #89
Perhaps you would have some information links to the red headed cave men to share with us? n/t Cleita Feb 2013 #96
these are fun - reverend_tim Feb 2013 #106
and reverend_tim Feb 2013 #107
I think I'm gonna have to place these guys with Sasquatch being there Cleita Feb 2013 #109
okay, but there are bones. reverend_tim Feb 2013 #110
History channel also does a lot of speculative programs about Cleita Feb 2013 #111
Didn't we all arrive by water first? jtuck004 Feb 2013 #101
I do not disagree Brother Buzz Feb 2013 #102
That sure tells the truth. What a progression. n/t jtuck004 Feb 2013 #103
Then they would be called First Nation. Cha Feb 2013 #15
They's what they're generally called in Canada, actually. (nt) Posteritatis Feb 2013 #95
That's where I gleaned it from.. :) Cha Feb 2013 #97
Alaska too. I have noticed the term creeping into the Cleita Feb 2013 #112
It's a term I'm quite okay with spreading Posteritatis Feb 2013 #113
The migration over land bridge from Asia yellerpup Feb 2013 #24
DNA supports it Brother Buzz Feb 2013 #29
I understand. yellerpup Feb 2013 #32
As I pointed out upthread Brother Buzz Feb 2013 #34
Doh! yellerpup Feb 2013 #35
Modern humans, yes. Apophis Feb 2013 #54
I studied anthropology when Lucy was the new kid on the block Brother Buzz Feb 2013 #58
You're right. Apophis Feb 2013 #59
What, you mean they're not the lost tribes of Israel like the Mormons claim? Rozlee Feb 2013 #47
This isn't a panacea. Baitball Blogger Feb 2013 #3
I think I can safely say OriginalGeek Feb 2013 #4
You tell me. Baitball Blogger Feb 2013 #7
Reminds me of old "Pogo" strips ... eppur_se_muova Feb 2013 #81
Yeah, it's very much like that. Baitball Blogger Feb 2013 #84
The protesters are probably thinking: Cali_Democrat Feb 2013 #5
"The protesters are probably thinking..." Very dangerous concept for the wingers. nt Ed Suspicious Feb 2013 #21
Protesters: historical immigrants (mostly now dead) - good; current/future immigrants - bad. pampango Feb 2013 #63
Good for him, but you can't talk sense to those people. It's OK when white people do it. Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2013 #6
wow is right. the truth is spoke! Whisp Feb 2013 #8
I am on his side. Our ancestors committed awful atrocities on the Native Americans. RebelOne Feb 2013 #10
I saw an episode of Pawn Stars where they happily bought a cannon that was made DainBramaged Feb 2013 #18
reminds me of this: The Straight Story Feb 2013 #12
That's Compelling! Cha Feb 2013 #17
LOVE IT !!!!!! unionthug777 Feb 2013 #26
AND a Union Thug!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DainBramaged Feb 2013 #28
+1 uponit7771 Feb 2013 #37
"We should'a put that sign up when you sons of bitches came here." jerseyjack Feb 2013 #22
Idle No More is a huge movement yellerpup Feb 2013 #25
The facts didn't stop an anti-immigrant group calling themselves 'native americans' many years ago ShadowLiberal Feb 2013 #27
That was the American Republican Party which changed its name to the Native American Party in 1845. pampango Feb 2013 #41
They were also appropriately known as the "No Nothing Party." jerseyjack Feb 2013 #64
Um.....not to be annoying or anything, but liberalhistorian Feb 2013 #99
Can't REC this enough! Not to Mention, the "Mexican" is an Anglo substitute for Native American. Coyotl Feb 2013 #30
Absolutely. yellerpup Feb 2013 #33
Tragically, the First Nations were not one people during the European invasions. blackspade Feb 2013 #46
They did unite to win John2 Feb 2013 #68
Unfortunately only a battle. blackspade Feb 2013 #73
That wasn't even the entirity of those three tribes loose wheel Feb 2013 #104
Too true. yellerpup Feb 2013 #70
thank God for natives! SHRED Feb 2013 #40
Indeed! sagetea Feb 2013 #42
And that's the truth! 2naSalit Feb 2013 #43
I have a new hero! SHRED Feb 2013 #44
K&R DeSwiss Feb 2013 #50
To the Greatest! ReRe Feb 2013 #56
Now THAT's how you break up a crowd Number23 Feb 2013 #57
The Truth Hurts lib87 Feb 2013 #60
Ha! Le Taz Hot Feb 2013 #61
Well said! Amonester Feb 2013 #62
Unfortunately irony just bounces off right wingers like bullets off Superman. Ganja Ninja Feb 2013 #65
truth heaven05 Feb 2013 #69
Post removed Post removed Feb 2013 #72
YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! heaven05 Feb 2013 #74
I addressed the point. People have been slaughtered everywhere, is my point, which you missed. toby jo Feb 2013 #75
The Course In Miracles calls it Specialness (the worst mentall error of all) Dont call me Shirley Feb 2013 #93
WOW Mr Dixon Feb 2013 #82
Yeah, it's their fault for being conquered and doomed to a life of poverty and abuse. Dash87 Feb 2013 #92
The irony too is that many from the Southwest who are perceived as illegal and those from Cleita Feb 2013 #76
This is the way you do it Mnpaul Feb 2013 #79
Well that took some courage lutefisk Feb 2013 #83
I believe that First Nation Peoples have the right to freely WHEN CRABS ROAR Feb 2013 #90
I am truly sorry that my ancestors corraled and murdered your people. Dont call me Shirley Feb 2013 #91
Jennifer Granholm showed a short clip tonight RebelOne Feb 2013 #100
It's a lot more complex than that. loose wheel Feb 2013 #105
Well malaise Feb 2013 #108
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