good for blank stares from 2nd amendment LUVAHS: the RKBA is in the Declaration, 2nd is CONTROL!!!

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19. true, some think, some GROUPthink, i guess! here's some stuff-

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"Congress shall have the power:

"To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union,
suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;"

Congress can raise Armies and maintain Navies, but only the Militias have specific duties mandated.

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In fact, if we restored the Second Amendment to its original meaning, it would be the NRA’s worst nightmare. Invoking the Second Amendment ought to be a more effective argument for increased regulation than it is against it.

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In 1776, most of the original state constitutions did not even include an arms-bearing provision. The few states that did usually also included a clause protecting the right not to bear arms. Why? Because, in contrast to other cherished rights such as freedom of speech or religion, the state could not compel you to speak or pray. It could force you to bear arms.

The founders had a simple reason for curbing this right: Quakers and other religious pacifists were opposed to bearing arms, and wished to be exempt from an obligation that could be made incumbent on all male citizens at the time.

When the Second Amendment is discussed today, we tend to think of those “militias” as just a bunch of ordinary guys with guns, empowering themselves to resist authority when and if necessary. Nothing could be further from the founders’ vision.

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States kept track of who had guns, had the right to inspect them in private homes and could fine citizens for failing to report to a muster.

These laws also defined what type of guns you had to buy — a form of taxation levied on individual households. Yes, long before Obamacare, the state made you buy something, even if you did not want to purchase it.

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The founders had a word for a bunch of farmers marching with guns without government sanction: a mob.
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/amendment-don-article-1.1223900

this is funny, because i'm a farmer AND a Quaker!

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While American leaders were contemplating calling a convention to revise the Articles, violent resistance to traditional law enforcement¾most notably Shays's Rebellion in Massachusetts¾underscored the sense of crisis that many Americans felt. Farmers led by Captain Daniel Shays marched on local courthouses in western Massachusetts, shutting down the courts and intimidating judges and others. Eventually militia companies from eastern Massachusetts dispersed Shays and his followers.
http://www.saf.org/LawReviews/FinkelmanChicago.htm

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ok, about A4 S4-
and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on
Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature
cannot be convened) against domestic Violence."

silly question, but the 'executive' means the governor of said state, or the Pres.?

thanks, i didn't even realize the domestic violence part was there!
also interesting- the slavery part left there for people to see. like a reminder. good idea!

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now, don't Sec 1+2 sort of say-
'if one state has a gun law that protects people, other states might want to think about doing the same'?

Section. 1.
Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof.

Section. 2.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.

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(going off on a tanget here)

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2013/01/executive-order-nra-should-fear-most/61004/
President Obama is looking at issuing 19 executive actions on gun control, and while gun enthusiasts fear a gun ban that can't happen by executive order, there is one proposal that should make the gun lobby plenty nervous: allow the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to research gun violence.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2013/01/16/obama_gun_control_executive_orders_call_for_cdc_gun_violence_research_17.html
Better understand how and when firearms are used in violent death: To research gun violence prevention, we also need better data. When firearms are used in homicides or suicides, the National Violent Death Reporting System collects anonymous data, including the type of firearm used, whether the firearm was stored loaded or locked, and details on youth gun access. Congress should invest an additional $20 million to expand this system from the 18 states currently participating to all 50 states, helping Americans better understand how and when firearms are used in a violent death and informing future research and prevention strategies.

so this is the culprit- (it took a few minutes to find, it needs a 'catchier name')
Omnibus Consolidated Appropriations Bill. HR 3610
http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1487470#ref-jvp120140-4

how do we do away with these ^^^ types of things (Tiahrt, the next link)?
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/109/s397/text
is crumpling them up and chucking them an option? just start over?

interesting! this is the guy who wrote that blob in bold 5 lines up- he changed his mind!!!
http://www.arkansasbusiness.com/post/90244/jay-dickey-on-obamas-order-to-ease-research-on-gun-violence

Others are more cautious. The Union of Concerned Scientists said the White House's view that the law does not ban gun research is helpful, but not enough to clarify the situation for scientists, and that congressional action is needed.
http://www.arkansasbusiness.com/article/90243/will-obamas-order-lead-to-surge-in-gun-research?page=all

(i'll be back)

thanks!