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dballance

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58. You Are so Wrong

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 07:16 PM

Feb 2013

Just because Bush, Cheney, and the PNAC lied us into the war does not mean that individuals who served didn't commit heroic acts. The transgressions of our leaders should not be foisted upon the troops as if they were guilty of them.

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Chris Kyle ran a nonprofit that provided fitness equipment for wounded veterans. [View all] WilliamPitt Feb 2013 OP

Thanks for posting this. 11 Bravo Feb 2013 #1

For reference WilliamPitt Feb 2013 #2

Message auto-removed pookieLOL Feb 2013 #29

You have no class and no life hrmjustin Feb 2013 #30

wrong. he is spot on. unless you think I deserve to be murdered too pasto76 Feb 2013 #34

That was a troll that responds too will pitt everyday causing trouble. I was not speaking to the hrmjustin Feb 2013 #35

I meant no disrespect at all to you. hrmjustin Feb 2013 #42

As I said, then every single Service Member deserves death obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #21

Here is what Chris Kyle had to say about those with loved ones in the fight: redgreenandblue Feb 2013 #63

he also defended the guy who shot a bunch of afghan civilians JI7 Feb 2013 #75

You could, Chris Kyle wouldn't Moses2SandyKoufax Feb 2013 #76

"You let them try and kill us" RedCappedBandit Feb 2013 #78

it's the whole us and them thing, THEY are the bad ones JI7 Feb 2013 #80

He did more than that nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #3

An obvious good guy BeyondGeography Feb 2013 #4

There's good and bad in all jehop61 Feb 2013 #5

Post removed Post removed Feb 2013 #44

I agree all of them are tragic, including the 250 lives taken by Kyle Bjorn Against Feb 2013 #6

It was a fellow Marine a Reserve Corporal who shot him , though. KoKo Feb 2013 #9

That does not make it better or worse Bjorn Against Feb 2013 #11

the person who killed him had PTSD and Kyle felt the way to help him was to take him to the gun JI7 Feb 2013 #15

Hey...it's an interesting event and to see what comes out after we find out more KoKo Feb 2013 #16

I am not angry and I do know what happened Bjorn Against Feb 2013 #18

I agree with what you say...being "Peace" person...but, it will be interesting to KoKo Feb 2013 #24

Message auto-removed Not1moreNeocon Feb 2013 #45

That is a false analogy, Kyle did not kill 250 Hitlers Bjorn Against Feb 2013 #49

the allegations and insinuation that PTSD was the motive here are baseless pasto76 Feb 2013 #36

Well that's very Panglossian. I'm far more cynical cali Feb 2013 #10

I don't believe we can stop all the killing, but we should still try to stop all the killing Bjorn Against Feb 2013 #13

well, not all, but certainly the vast majority cali Feb 2013 #7

Thank you. Mister Ed Feb 2013 #8

that was a sarcastic reply by me, *with the sarcasm icon included*, because i thought dionysus Feb 2013 #46

I'm very, very sorry to have misunderstood and misattributed you. Mister Ed Feb 2013 #48

sure thing, we're cool. dionysus Feb 2013 #54

I'd never heard of him before yesterday Schema Thing Feb 2013 #12

And then...there's the "battles of Fallujah" that he participated in... KoKo Feb 2013 #19

Well yeah, Fallujah was his job. Schema Thing Feb 2013 #25

it seems like a mental episode with the gun shots triggering it JI7 Feb 2013 #27

maybe Schema Thing Feb 2013 #31

Nicely put. But I wonder why he needed to? Shouldn't the govt provide it? The Straight Story Feb 2013 #14

i don't think the govt provides fitness equipment, maybe they might have some centers JI7 Feb 2013 #17

He had his own company...doing private security training. The place he was shot KoKo Feb 2013 #22

Some of the Chris Kyle posts are really appalling obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #20

He is another victim of the senseless gun violence plagueing this country. madinmaryland Feb 2013 #23

This event is different in many ways, though. Marine on Marine Killing? KoKo Feb 2013 #28

Yours is one of the most intelligent posts i have found. kelliekat44 Feb 2013 #52

Thanks Will. nt XRubicon Feb 2013 #26

+1!!!!! Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #32

"Blame the victim" - which I thought most of us jazzimov Feb 2013 #33

Everyone thinks PTSD makes you that "crazy" guy. JohLast Feb 2013 #50

"17" are the ways that I can presently calculate the way this will be unfairly spun, WillPitt. NYC_SKP Feb 2013 #37

People are being jerks about it. Robb Feb 2013 #38

I'm not 'gloating' at all ca3799 Feb 2013 #39

So - He Atoned For His Actions With Good Deeds - Does Not Mitigate The Crimes On Societie's Behalf cantbeserious Feb 2013 #40

This gentleman was a decorated hero and, seemingly a charitable soul..... Swamp Lover Feb 2013 #41

He was not a hero. redgreenandblue Feb 2013 #53

Perhaps I should be more clear. This man stood up when called, and carried his share of the load... Swamp Lover Feb 2013 #55

He wasn't called sadalien Feb 2013 #56

No one who volunteers gets to choose where they go, and for the most part, how they serve. Swamp Lover Feb 2013 #57

You are implying that the Iraq war "made people safe"? redgreenandblue Feb 2013 #59

Can't believe people on this board are actually defending this piece of shit. sadalien Feb 2013 #83

I'm surprised there hasn't been more discussion of this Blue_Tires Feb 2013 #91

You Are so Wrong dballance Feb 2013 #58

And if I were to praise Iraqi troops for their heroism? redgreenandblue Feb 2013 #60

Your Argument to Praise Iraqi Troops Fails dballance Feb 2013 #64

So you consider the Iraqis your enemies? redgreenandblue Feb 2013 #66

Get Serious. If UR On the Battlefield Shooting At Opposing Forces They're Enemies dballance Feb 2013 #70

But I am not on the battlefield. redgreenandblue Feb 2013 #73

There were some damn heroic Iraqi soldiers, fighting with us and against us Recursion Feb 2013 #88

No. redgreenandblue Feb 2013 #89

Couldn't agree more. Swamp Lover Feb 2013 #79

Huh? Recursion Feb 2013 #87

As I said earlier, my nephew is a sniper in the Marine Corps derby378 Feb 2013 #43

thanks for post Will bench scientist Feb 2013 #47

He was a sociopath with delusions of grandeur. redgreenandblue Feb 2013 #51

You have no clue who he was, and I doubt you are qualified to even make those diagnosis. SQUEE Feb 2013 #61

I have a clue who he was. redgreenandblue Feb 2013 #62

I agree with you. Moses2SandyKoufax Feb 2013 #65

Again, you have no idea who he was.. SQUEE Feb 2013 #67

I simply take him by his words. redgreenandblue Feb 2013 #69

You've read have you? SQUEE Feb 2013 #72

Studs Terkels' The Good War- An Oral History of WW2 LanternWaste Feb 2013 #77

or another theory, one far less exciting... SQUEE Feb 2013 #68

Wow....you're talking about OTHER posters engaging in armchair analysis while posting.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #85

oh, hi.. nice to see you. SQUEE Feb 2013 #90

I have done no gloating whatsoever over his tragic murder... Blue_Tires Feb 2013 #71

I'm sure some of the 150+ men he murdered also gave to charity LittleBlue Feb 2013 #74

Murder? He was a solider doing his job SpartanDem Feb 2013 #81

right-wing myth sadalien Feb 2013 #82

I never talked to a single Vietnam vet who claimed he was spit at, or on, while in uniform.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #84

well, there are some who don't automatically view all soldiers as heroes quinnox Feb 2013 #86

Sorry...too bad he died, but he's an example of our gun culture gone nuts... joeybee12 Feb 2013 #92