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Hekate

(90,189 posts)
80. A well thought out opinion I can respect, as a woman
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:44 PM
Feb 2013

TY, Mr Scorpio.
I've been staying out of the discussions for many reasons, not least of which because I didn't watch the show.

I spent the afternoon at an opera telecast from The Met, and immediately afterwards an evening in my son's livingroom devoted to showcasing young unknown singer-songwriters (such as his wife). The latter were recorded on the spot, and a talent scout was there. Anyway, they were not Beyonce, nor was it Aida, but I adore live music and they were all local, fresh and good.

That's the opinion I am qualified to give. And I thank you for yours.

Hekate

Indeed. She did just fine. Autumn Feb 2013 #1
Just read a column along those lines. Brickbat Feb 2013 #2
I noticed that there were only women on stage the moment that I was watching it MrScorpio Feb 2013 #130
Love that, thanks!! PeaceNikki Feb 2013 #145
k&r HappyMe Feb 2013 #3
So if anyone did not like the music or the production value MattBaggins Feb 2013 #4
Hm. The point you have missed, Yoda. nt Chorophyll Feb 2013 #7
There was no point to get. MattBaggins Feb 2013 #9
This thread is a response to the other threads on DU today, Chorophyll Feb 2013 #22
The flip side of trying to shut down critiques is even worse MattBaggins Feb 2013 #27
While your oversimplification of my previous comment is brilliant, right? Chorophyll Feb 2013 #73
Brandeis: The solution to bad speech is more speech not censorship (paraphrased) Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2013 #180
a bunch of old white women don't like that music either.. snooper2 Feb 2013 #71
Lol. I'm an old punk rocker myself. Chorophyll Feb 2013 #72
I am so with you - LibertyLover Feb 2013 #193
The costume she was wearing covered at least as much as those of many professional skaters and Dollface Feb 2013 #199
Right! I mean, this is Beyonce's thing. It's what she does. It's not what I would do, Chorophyll Feb 2013 #203
Let me chime in for just a moment as a white guy who is a professional performer to say I have to Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #25
I read you entire post here JustAnotherGen Feb 2013 #56
I dislike Madonna's music, Gaga too Beaverhausen Feb 2013 #78
Absolutely, popular music is full of codes and far more complex due to cultural status flamingdem Feb 2013 #83
MJ CountAllVotes Feb 2013 #103
Too bad he wasn't more active politcally before he was ripped away from us nightscanner59 Feb 2013 #169
He was politically active CountAllVotes Feb 2013 #176
world needs more sigmasix Feb 2013 #179
FYI CountAllVotes Feb 2013 #184
AWESOME, AWESOME POST! brush Feb 2013 #144
K&R. Chorophyll Feb 2013 #5
Or, that Calvin Klein commercial. GoCubsGo Feb 2013 #42
Disgusting. Ed Suspicious Feb 2013 #101
More creepy than the guy in his skivies was the reaction of the ladies of Facebook to whose comments Ed Suspicious Feb 2013 #106
Hey, I get sick of watching Frank Gore's bulky door knocker flop around as well. Desency is gone. Ed Suspicious Feb 2013 #87
Okay with me as long as everyone gets held to the same standard! nt Chorophyll Feb 2013 #102
oh for god's sake. there have always been rich powerful women in entertainment. beyonce is one HiPointDem Feb 2013 #6
Oh, Hannah. Lighten up...nt SidDithers Feb 2013 #12
The OP was a joke? Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #122
Yeah. I thought this was pretty funny from the article linked above... Luminous Animal Feb 2013 #21
yep ! why the titillating outfit? Tumbulu Feb 2013 #28
it is EMPOWERING for women to dance like strippers!!! Skittles Feb 2013 #116
and who's pushing that load of crap, i wonder? HiPointDem Feb 2013 #120
it's the way of the world, HPD!!! Skittles Feb 2013 #124
all this orwellian bullshit frankly sickens me. 'embrace your sexuality by showing off some skin HiPointDem Feb 2013 #126
*AND* Skittles Feb 2013 #128
I'm with you on this one Tumbulu Feb 2013 #26
I always pose the question Ghost of Tom Joad Feb 2013 #182
I agree Puzzledtraveller Feb 2013 #39
I'm an artist MrScorpio Feb 2013 #51
Burlap sacks for everyone! HappyMe Feb 2013 #46
Sounds good. Fashion sucks. Ed Suspicious Feb 2013 #96
Fashion... druidity33 Feb 2013 #148
love it. :) nt Ed Suspicious Feb 2013 #149
ridiculous post demonstrating that you have no argument whatsoever. to say that beyonce is HiPointDem Feb 2013 #112
Okay. HappyMe Feb 2013 #113
+1 leftstreet Feb 2013 #108
I could care less if she is black, white, blue or green Livluvgrow Feb 2013 #8
Does anyone realize the superhuman stamina required to dance like that and sing? flamingdem Feb 2013 #14
do you realize the superhuman stamina needed to load bricks 8 hours a day, 5 days a week? HiPointDem Feb 2013 #55
No it doesn't. The coordination of all of that is more taxing than a repetitive task nt flamingdem Feb 2013 #59
'more taxing'? bullshit. a repetitive task is more taxing because it uses the same muscle groups HiPointDem Feb 2013 #76
The brain has to coordinate about 2000 details in that performance flamingdem Feb 2013 #79
complex is not more physically taxing nor does it require superhuman strength, which was the HiPointDem Feb 2013 #84
I stick to my point because so few people can pull it off flamingdem Feb 2013 #88
plenty of people can pull it off. we pulled it off in my high school musical productions. broadway HiPointDem Feb 2013 #92
not at that level! flamingdem Feb 2013 #93
no, my HS musicals weren't at that level -- but broadway productions are -- and more. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #98
you obviously don't know much about professional dancing. tomp Feb 2013 #183
why are you talking to me? i agree, professional dancers do grueling work. but beyonce is not HiPointDem Feb 2013 #197
she's a better dancer than others in her field.... tomp Feb 2013 #213
no, i respect the skill and athleticism of working dancers. but beyonce isn't that. she's a HiPointDem Feb 2013 #214
A lot of Broadway performers do it 8 times a week. progressoid Feb 2013 #86
Not with millions looking on flamingdem Feb 2013 #89
Right. There's no pressure on a Broadway performer. progressoid Feb 2013 #94
For 90 to 180 minutes. Without a studio repaired track, and they do it well. Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #217
Okay, just watched this performance that's getting so much DU chatter justiceischeap Feb 2013 #123
Here is the point: this is DANCE music flamingdem Feb 2013 #127
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Feb 2013 #188
And that is a fine critique. I think that is fair. Others have gone way over the top. NCTraveler Feb 2013 #36
Oh, people have the right to diminish it alcibiades_mystery Feb 2013 #10
There sure are plenty doing that flamingdem Feb 2013 #95
Yay MrScorpio! flamingdem Feb 2013 #11
K&R Ivywoods55 Feb 2013 #31
Sorry to disagree jehop61 Feb 2013 #13
So traditional dances where women shake their stuff are just about kissing up to men? flamingdem Feb 2013 #17
Black women have hips MrScorpio Feb 2013 #23
Racist MattBaggins Feb 2013 #32
You go with that, Matt MrScorpio Feb 2013 #35
Damn. You're serious, aren't you? Number23 Feb 2013 #104
Dumb noiretextatique Feb 2013 #138
I'm a Jewish/Eastern European woman BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2013 #111
Ashkenazi Sista...? pink-o Feb 2013 #187
Whooo! "I think women enjoy dancing and flaunting it." Myrina Feb 2013 #48
Hmm. Exactly what is not okay about dancing and flaunting it? flamingdem Feb 2013 #49
There are still many women who celebrate being a woman pacalo Feb 2013 #97
I see your point but Whisp Feb 2013 #18
Me too- what matters is what we do, not Tumbulu Feb 2013 #33
Why can't we have Beyonce and Hillary? nt. NCTraveler Feb 2013 #38
This was a powerful statement! For many years, I hated Madonna. As a woman, I thought Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2013 #54
Thank you for this post. NCTraveler Feb 2013 #60
I agree Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #41
What did you think about the Calvin Klein ad? Apophis Feb 2013 #161
well said, thanks! They were beautiful we can do it Feb 2013 #15
that was pretty good, MrScorpio Whisp Feb 2013 #16
There was a reason why Jay-Z was not on stage during the show thelordofhell Feb 2013 #19
i didn't see it, but... Enrique Feb 2013 #20
a talented woman of color at the biggest event? hfojvt Feb 2013 #24
You were a bit snarky, but your point is well taken. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #129
"a young, strong, beautiful and talented woman of color" jberryhill Feb 2013 #29
Women own 1% of property? In the US women own $8 trillion in investible assets. FarCenter Feb 2013 #30
Sorry Mr Scorpio Tumbulu Feb 2013 #34
There was a halftime show and/or commercials yesterday? Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2013 #37
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Feb 2013 #40
Everywhere I'm looking now, I'm surrounded by your embrace...I can see your halo, halo, halo... :) mother earth Feb 2013 #43
I'm not a Beyonce fan at all, but as an African American woman, I couldn't be prouder. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2013 #44
I've been looking for a reason to use this emote! Puzzledtraveller Feb 2013 #45
And I've been looking for a reason to use this one... ElboRuum Feb 2013 #143
Lmao. n/t Agschmid Feb 2013 #154
I think Alicia Keyes was great, I think Jennifer Hudson was great I think Beyonce had dsc Feb 2013 #47
Agreed. nt Ed Suspicious Feb 2013 #90
So, the message is: Myrina Feb 2013 #50
No, the message is that Janet Jackson was not young, talented, strong or African American jberryhill Feb 2013 #52
so true!!!!! Tumbulu Feb 2013 #63
Exactly when and where was this "pole dancing" that certain people keep harping on? Number23 Feb 2013 #121
I also saw no pole, as a mentioned in a previous thread... Agschmid Feb 2013 #156
Is that you??! Number23 Feb 2013 #164
God no... If I did drag it would like a combination of... Agschmid Feb 2013 #165
Oh, I see. I'm in Australia and that show doesn't come on here, I don't think Number23 Feb 2013 #166
For your entertainment :) Agschmid Feb 2013 #167
Damn, RuPaul has not aged a SINGLE day!! What the hell does he do to himself to look like that?! Number23 Feb 2013 #168
Once again JustAnotherGen Feb 2013 #53
I didn't like it simply because I didn't think it was a great performance NYC Liberal Feb 2013 #57
I think you saw something different than I did, of course. kwassa Feb 2013 #58
It is a breakdown and a demeaning of all women Tumbulu Feb 2013 #64
Perhaps you should look beyond her stage show. Dollface Feb 2013 #200
Why? kwassa Feb 2013 #206
Kids know more about their chosen role models than just what they do on stage. Dollface Feb 2013 #208
Not my kid. kwassa Feb 2013 #210
Your answer makes me kind of sad. Dollface Feb 2013 #218
People should aspire to do whatever the hell they want to do. Agschmid Feb 2013 #157
I'm not directing you to aspire to anything. kwassa Feb 2013 #207
I agree with you Tumbulu Feb 2013 #212
Beyonce - so electrfying, she caused a blackout! Kanmi Feb 2013 #61
not a Beyonce fan .. not a professional sports fan .. it's all about $$$ .. it's BS YOHABLO Feb 2013 #62
Wasn't she using her body to sell her music? JohnnyRingo Feb 2013 #65
As a response to your question... Agschmid Feb 2013 #158
While I don't care much for hip hop... JohnnyRingo Feb 2013 #172
Excellent! Scurrilous Feb 2013 #66
I'm not sure I understand. dorkulon Feb 2013 #67
Beyonce' is very talented. However.. Kelselsius Feb 2013 #68
I missed the entire Super Bowl by choice. Beacool Feb 2013 #69
Let's not forget Shankapotomus Feb 2013 #70
Far as I'm concerned, there was a musical act that didn't target my demographic. Iggo Feb 2013 #74
No complaints here. pacalo Feb 2013 #75
very well said! liberal_at_heart Feb 2013 #77
A well thought out opinion I can respect, as a woman Hekate Feb 2013 #80
Fully clothed? The whole world saw that she waxes her pubes. LeftyMom Feb 2013 #81
You must have a really big TV and excellent vision. All I saw were some serious tights/support hose. Dollface Feb 2013 #202
Wow. I think what I really got her from her performance is that she wanted me to Evoman Feb 2013 #82
Oh stop it. Beyonce is an average talent who has been packaged as a pop superstar Maven Feb 2013 #85
This. LeftyMom Feb 2013 #91
and many equally or more-talented black women who *don't* have 'mega-successful careers'. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #99
Tina Turner FTW!!! Puzzledtraveller Feb 2013 #185
That girl TORE IT UP. And she KNEW it. So sorry that so many here would seem to prefer the corpse Number23 Feb 2013 #100
this ^ flamingdem Feb 2013 #107
So you've tried Zumba right? It's awesome. n/t Agschmid Feb 2013 #159
Teach it! nt MrScorpio Feb 2013 #110
The big blonde weave is one of my issues with her. kwassa Feb 2013 #115
I don't like the 'message' of that weave but what really annoys me is that as gorgeous as she is Number23 Feb 2013 #117
what bothered me about some of the promos I saw was ... kwassa Feb 2013 #135
Thanks for the infographic. SuperBowl performances are for that audience. freshwest Feb 2013 #105
In. deed. PeaceNikki Feb 2013 #109
Meh... Coyote_Tan Feb 2013 #114
Please explain what you mean: "No one has the right to diminish that." Common Sense Party Feb 2013 #118
Someday, we will be able to criticize a musical performance based on its merits... Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #119
Yes. This. October Feb 2013 #125
K&R BumRushDaShow Feb 2013 #131
i enjoyed her performance noiretextatique Feb 2013 #132
But, but,...get off my lawn! Lol nonoxy9 Feb 2013 #133
Being different doesn't diminish that which one differentiates from. I'm not slut-shaming anyone. patrice Feb 2013 #134
I don't care what she wore or didn't wear. Or how she danced. Bake Feb 2013 #136
Very happy you liked her performance.. aka-chmeee Feb 2013 #137
Hear, Hear! ReRe Feb 2013 #139
Two points DonCoquixote Feb 2013 #140
Logical fallacy: the "fact" that these people who may, OR MAY NOT, be pseudo feminists "didn't" patrice Feb 2013 #204
I don't do the superbowl and I'm about to go to work (12 hour) tavalon Feb 2013 #141
I find your post to be both racist and sexist. xtraxritical Feb 2013 #142
I misplaced my keys MrScorpio Feb 2013 #146
Jeepers, I'm 63 years old, and I think Beyonce is really keen! NBachers Feb 2013 #147
Now that was funny. The last time I heard 'keen' was about 1963. Dollface Feb 2013 #201
Finally, a young, strong, beautiful and talented woman of color gets her due hughee99 Feb 2013 #150
This is not a criticism, jonthebru Feb 2013 #151
When you sing at the inauguration and headline the Super Bowl halftime you are American royalty. dkf Feb 2013 #152
+1 nt K8-EEE Feb 2013 #175
Great post! Thanks! n/t Agschmid Feb 2013 #153
Talent? Give me a freaking break. I just returned from an orchestra rehearsal BlueStreak Feb 2013 #155
Just my opinion, but I think there's room in the world of music for..... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #163
"Black folks bring disgrace upon themselves when they celebrate the wrong people" Number23 Feb 2013 #170
agreed #23 K8-EEE Feb 2013 #171
It isn't just black folks, of course BlueStreak Feb 2013 #189
Nicely put! Apophis Feb 2013 #160
Meanwhile the Republicans... Agschmid Feb 2013 #162
This is a most excellent post. ellisonz Feb 2013 #173
do they really show any more skin than the "wholesome" cheerleaders K8-EEE Feb 2013 #174
In a spectacle where 22 bulked-up dudes run around in spandex pants... VOX Feb 2013 #177
Poutrage is an ugly thing. Kalidurga Feb 2013 #178
I believe the show fit the venue perfectly lunatica Feb 2013 #181
Perhaps the truest words uttered on this subject. BlueStreak Feb 2013 #190
hyper-femininity on steriods noiretextatique Feb 2013 #196
So very powerful!1! JNelson6563 Feb 2013 #186
I love this, MrScorpio. Thanks so much for posting. FourScore Feb 2013 #191
I sometimes think I'm the only person on Earth that likes football for football Johonny Feb 2013 #192
I didn't like 840high Feb 2013 #195
I don't like Beyonce or her style of entertainment, it has madmom Feb 2013 #194
plus, she isn't a nice person RILib Feb 2013 #198
I'm kind of disappointed that people are being called "pseudo-feminists" if they disagree with you. patrice Feb 2013 #205
I missed the halftime show (and most of the game) because I had to work... derby378 Feb 2013 #209
What - women of color moment? Zax2me Feb 2013 #211
If she's upset because she's not the most awesome performer we've ever seen... cherokeeprogressive Feb 2013 #215
Tina Turner has been known for her singing/dancing/legs since I can remember R B Garr Feb 2013 #216
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