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kwassa

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58. I think you saw something different than I did, of course.

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:09 PM

Feb 2013

But, I have recognized right away that her show wasn't about me or my tastes, it was about Beyonce and a huge moment in this life of this country where a young, strong, beautiful and talented woman of color gets her due on the biggest stage in the biggest spectacle that America can muster.

Gets her due for what??????

Dancing in high heels, in what is essentially a showgirl outfit?

Wow, that's something every woman should aspire to. The role model of role models, especially for women of color. I fail to see how this is any kind of breakthrough.

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Frankly, I'm sorry that many of us failed to realize what occurred at the Super Bowl last night [View all] MrScorpio Feb 2013 OP

Indeed. She did just fine. Autumn Feb 2013 #1

Just read a column along those lines. Brickbat Feb 2013 #2

I noticed that there were only women on stage the moment that I was watching it MrScorpio Feb 2013 #130

Love that, thanks!! PeaceNikki Feb 2013 #145

k&r HappyMe Feb 2013 #3

So if anyone did not like the music or the production value MattBaggins Feb 2013 #4

Hm. The point you have missed, Yoda. nt Chorophyll Feb 2013 #7

There was no point to get. MattBaggins Feb 2013 #9

This thread is a response to the other threads on DU today, Chorophyll Feb 2013 #22

The flip side of trying to shut down critiques is even worse MattBaggins Feb 2013 #27

While your oversimplification of my previous comment is brilliant, right? Chorophyll Feb 2013 #73

Brandeis: The solution to bad speech is more speech not censorship (paraphrased) Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2013 #180

a bunch of old white women don't like that music either.. snooper2 Feb 2013 #71

Lol. I'm an old punk rocker myself. Chorophyll Feb 2013 #72

I am so with you - LibertyLover Feb 2013 #193

The costume she was wearing covered at least as much as those of many professional skaters and Dollface Feb 2013 #199

Right! I mean, this is Beyonce's thing. It's what she does. It's not what I would do, Chorophyll Feb 2013 #203

Let me chime in for just a moment as a white guy who is a professional performer to say I have to Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #25

I read you entire post here JustAnotherGen Feb 2013 #56

I dislike Madonna's music, Gaga too Beaverhausen Feb 2013 #78

Absolutely, popular music is full of codes and far more complex due to cultural status flamingdem Feb 2013 #83

MJ CountAllVotes Feb 2013 #103

Too bad he wasn't more active politcally before he was ripped away from us nightscanner59 Feb 2013 #169

He was politically active CountAllVotes Feb 2013 #176

world needs more sigmasix Feb 2013 #179

FYI CountAllVotes Feb 2013 #184

AWESOME, AWESOME POST! brush Feb 2013 #144

K&R. Chorophyll Feb 2013 #5

Or, that Calvin Klein commercial. GoCubsGo Feb 2013 #42

Disgusting. Ed Suspicious Feb 2013 #101

More creepy than the guy in his skivies was the reaction of the ladies of Facebook to whose comments Ed Suspicious Feb 2013 #106

Hey, I get sick of watching Frank Gore's bulky door knocker flop around as well. Desency is gone. Ed Suspicious Feb 2013 #87

Okay with me as long as everyone gets held to the same standard! nt Chorophyll Feb 2013 #102

oh for god's sake. there have always been rich powerful women in entertainment. beyonce is one HiPointDem Feb 2013 #6

Oh, Hannah. Lighten up...nt SidDithers Feb 2013 #12

The OP was a joke? Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #122

Yeah. I thought this was pretty funny from the article linked above... Luminous Animal Feb 2013 #21

yep ! why the titillating outfit? Tumbulu Feb 2013 #28

it is EMPOWERING for women to dance like strippers!!! Skittles Feb 2013 #116

and who's pushing that load of crap, i wonder? HiPointDem Feb 2013 #120

it's the way of the world, HPD!!! Skittles Feb 2013 #124

all this orwellian bullshit frankly sickens me. 'embrace your sexuality by showing off some skin HiPointDem Feb 2013 #126

*AND* Skittles Feb 2013 #128

I'm with you on this one Tumbulu Feb 2013 #26

I always pose the question Ghost of Tom Joad Feb 2013 #182

I agree Puzzledtraveller Feb 2013 #39

I'm an artist MrScorpio Feb 2013 #51

Burlap sacks for everyone! HappyMe Feb 2013 #46

Sounds good. Fashion sucks. Ed Suspicious Feb 2013 #96

Fashion... druidity33 Feb 2013 #148

love it. :) nt Ed Suspicious Feb 2013 #149

ridiculous post demonstrating that you have no argument whatsoever. to say that beyonce is HiPointDem Feb 2013 #112

Okay. HappyMe Feb 2013 #113

+1 leftstreet Feb 2013 #108

I could care less if she is black, white, blue or green Livluvgrow Feb 2013 #8

Does anyone realize the superhuman stamina required to dance like that and sing? flamingdem Feb 2013 #14

do you realize the superhuman stamina needed to load bricks 8 hours a day, 5 days a week? HiPointDem Feb 2013 #55

No it doesn't. The coordination of all of that is more taxing than a repetitive task nt flamingdem Feb 2013 #59

'more taxing'? bullshit. a repetitive task is more taxing because it uses the same muscle groups HiPointDem Feb 2013 #76

The brain has to coordinate about 2000 details in that performance flamingdem Feb 2013 #79

complex is not more physically taxing nor does it require superhuman strength, which was the HiPointDem Feb 2013 #84

I stick to my point because so few people can pull it off flamingdem Feb 2013 #88

plenty of people can pull it off. we pulled it off in my high school musical productions. broadway HiPointDem Feb 2013 #92

not at that level! flamingdem Feb 2013 #93

no, my HS musicals weren't at that level -- but broadway productions are -- and more. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #98

you obviously don't know much about professional dancing. tomp Feb 2013 #183

why are you talking to me? i agree, professional dancers do grueling work. but beyonce is not HiPointDem Feb 2013 #197

she's a better dancer than others in her field.... tomp Feb 2013 #213

no, i respect the skill and athleticism of working dancers. but beyonce isn't that. she's a HiPointDem Feb 2013 #214

A lot of Broadway performers do it 8 times a week. progressoid Feb 2013 #86

Not with millions looking on flamingdem Feb 2013 #89

Right. There's no pressure on a Broadway performer. progressoid Feb 2013 #94

For 90 to 180 minutes. Without a studio repaired track, and they do it well. Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #217

Okay, just watched this performance that's getting so much DU chatter justiceischeap Feb 2013 #123

Here is the point: this is DANCE music flamingdem Feb 2013 #127

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Feb 2013 #188

And that is a fine critique. I think that is fair. Others have gone way over the top. NCTraveler Feb 2013 #36

Oh, people have the right to diminish it alcibiades_mystery Feb 2013 #10

There sure are plenty doing that flamingdem Feb 2013 #95

Yay MrScorpio! flamingdem Feb 2013 #11

K&R Ivywoods55 Feb 2013 #31

Sorry to disagree jehop61 Feb 2013 #13

So traditional dances where women shake their stuff are just about kissing up to men? flamingdem Feb 2013 #17

Black women have hips MrScorpio Feb 2013 #23

Racist MattBaggins Feb 2013 #32

You go with that, Matt MrScorpio Feb 2013 #35

Damn. You're serious, aren't you? Number23 Feb 2013 #104

Dumb noiretextatique Feb 2013 #138

I'm a Jewish/Eastern European woman BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2013 #111

Ashkenazi Sista...? pink-o Feb 2013 #187

Whooo! "I think women enjoy dancing and flaunting it." Myrina Feb 2013 #48

Hmm. Exactly what is not okay about dancing and flaunting it? flamingdem Feb 2013 #49

There are still many women who celebrate being a woman pacalo Feb 2013 #97

I see your point but Whisp Feb 2013 #18

Me too- what matters is what we do, not Tumbulu Feb 2013 #33

Why can't we have Beyonce and Hillary? nt. NCTraveler Feb 2013 #38

This was a powerful statement! For many years, I hated Madonna. As a woman, I thought Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2013 #54

Thank you for this post. NCTraveler Feb 2013 #60

I agree Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #41

What did you think about the Calvin Klein ad? Apophis Feb 2013 #161

well said, thanks! They were beautiful we can do it Feb 2013 #15

that was pretty good, MrScorpio Whisp Feb 2013 #16

There was a reason why Jay-Z was not on stage during the show thelordofhell Feb 2013 #19

i didn't see it, but... Enrique Feb 2013 #20

a talented woman of color at the biggest event? hfojvt Feb 2013 #24

You were a bit snarky, but your point is well taken. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #129

"a young, strong, beautiful and talented woman of color" jberryhill Feb 2013 #29

Women own 1% of property? In the US women own $8 trillion in investible assets. FarCenter Feb 2013 #30

Sorry Mr Scorpio Tumbulu Feb 2013 #34

There was a halftime show and/or commercials yesterday? Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2013 #37

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Feb 2013 #40

Everywhere I'm looking now, I'm surrounded by your embrace...I can see your halo, halo, halo... :) mother earth Feb 2013 #43

I'm not a Beyonce fan at all, but as an African American woman, I couldn't be prouder. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2013 #44

I've been looking for a reason to use this emote! Puzzledtraveller Feb 2013 #45

And I've been looking for a reason to use this one... ElboRuum Feb 2013 #143

Lmao. n/t Agschmid Feb 2013 #154

I think Alicia Keyes was great, I think Jennifer Hudson was great I think Beyonce had dsc Feb 2013 #47

Agreed. nt Ed Suspicious Feb 2013 #90

So, the message is: Myrina Feb 2013 #50

No, the message is that Janet Jackson was not young, talented, strong or African American jberryhill Feb 2013 #52

so true!!!!! Tumbulu Feb 2013 #63

Exactly when and where was this "pole dancing" that certain people keep harping on? Number23 Feb 2013 #121

I also saw no pole, as a mentioned in a previous thread... Agschmid Feb 2013 #156

Is that you??! Number23 Feb 2013 #164

God no... If I did drag it would like a combination of... Agschmid Feb 2013 #165

Oh, I see. I'm in Australia and that show doesn't come on here, I don't think Number23 Feb 2013 #166

For your entertainment :) Agschmid Feb 2013 #167

Damn, RuPaul has not aged a SINGLE day!! What the hell does he do to himself to look like that?! Number23 Feb 2013 #168

Once again JustAnotherGen Feb 2013 #53

I didn't like it simply because I didn't think it was a great performance NYC Liberal Feb 2013 #57

I think you saw something different than I did, of course. kwassa Feb 2013 #58

It is a breakdown and a demeaning of all women Tumbulu Feb 2013 #64

Perhaps you should look beyond her stage show. Dollface Feb 2013 #200

Why? kwassa Feb 2013 #206

Kids know more about their chosen role models than just what they do on stage. Dollface Feb 2013 #208

Not my kid. kwassa Feb 2013 #210

Your answer makes me kind of sad. Dollface Feb 2013 #218

People should aspire to do whatever the hell they want to do. Agschmid Feb 2013 #157

I'm not directing you to aspire to anything. kwassa Feb 2013 #207

I agree with you Tumbulu Feb 2013 #212

Beyonce - so electrfying, she caused a blackout! Kanmi Feb 2013 #61

not a Beyonce fan .. not a professional sports fan .. it's all about $$$ .. it's BS YOHABLO Feb 2013 #62

Wasn't she using her body to sell her music? JohnnyRingo Feb 2013 #65

As a response to your question... Agschmid Feb 2013 #158

While I don't care much for hip hop... JohnnyRingo Feb 2013 #172

Excellent! Scurrilous Feb 2013 #66

I'm not sure I understand. dorkulon Feb 2013 #67

Beyonce' is very talented. However.. Kelselsius Feb 2013 #68

I missed the entire Super Bowl by choice. Beacool Feb 2013 #69

Let's not forget Shankapotomus Feb 2013 #70

Far as I'm concerned, there was a musical act that didn't target my demographic. Iggo Feb 2013 #74

No complaints here. pacalo Feb 2013 #75

very well said! liberal_at_heart Feb 2013 #77

A well thought out opinion I can respect, as a woman Hekate Feb 2013 #80

Fully clothed? The whole world saw that she waxes her pubes. LeftyMom Feb 2013 #81

You must have a really big TV and excellent vision. All I saw were some serious tights/support hose. Dollface Feb 2013 #202

Wow. I think what I really got her from her performance is that she wanted me to Evoman Feb 2013 #82

Oh stop it. Beyonce is an average talent who has been packaged as a pop superstar Maven Feb 2013 #85

This. LeftyMom Feb 2013 #91

and many equally or more-talented black women who *don't* have 'mega-successful careers'. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #99

Tina Turner FTW!!! Puzzledtraveller Feb 2013 #185

That girl TORE IT UP. And she KNEW it. So sorry that so many here would seem to prefer the corpse Number23 Feb 2013 #100

this ^ flamingdem Feb 2013 #107

So you've tried Zumba right? It's awesome. n/t Agschmid Feb 2013 #159

Teach it! nt MrScorpio Feb 2013 #110

The big blonde weave is one of my issues with her. kwassa Feb 2013 #115

I don't like the 'message' of that weave but what really annoys me is that as gorgeous as she is Number23 Feb 2013 #117

what bothered me about some of the promos I saw was ... kwassa Feb 2013 #135

Thanks for the infographic. SuperBowl performances are for that audience. freshwest Feb 2013 #105

In. deed. PeaceNikki Feb 2013 #109

Meh... Coyote_Tan Feb 2013 #114

Please explain what you mean: "No one has the right to diminish that." Common Sense Party Feb 2013 #118

Someday, we will be able to criticize a musical performance based on its merits... Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #119

Yes. This. October Feb 2013 #125

K&R BumRushDaShow Feb 2013 #131

i enjoyed her performance noiretextatique Feb 2013 #132

But, but,...get off my lawn! Lol nonoxy9 Feb 2013 #133

Being different doesn't diminish that which one differentiates from. I'm not slut-shaming anyone. patrice Feb 2013 #134

I don't care what she wore or didn't wear. Or how she danced. Bake Feb 2013 #136

Very happy you liked her performance.. aka-chmeee Feb 2013 #137

Hear, Hear! ReRe Feb 2013 #139

Two points DonCoquixote Feb 2013 #140

Logical fallacy: the "fact" that these people who may, OR MAY NOT, be pseudo feminists "didn't" patrice Feb 2013 #204

I don't do the superbowl and I'm about to go to work (12 hour) tavalon Feb 2013 #141

I find your post to be both racist and sexist. xtraxritical Feb 2013 #142

I misplaced my keys MrScorpio Feb 2013 #146

Jeepers, I'm 63 years old, and I think Beyonce is really keen! NBachers Feb 2013 #147

Now that was funny. The last time I heard 'keen' was about 1963. Dollface Feb 2013 #201

Finally, a young, strong, beautiful and talented woman of color gets her due hughee99 Feb 2013 #150

This is not a criticism, jonthebru Feb 2013 #151

When you sing at the inauguration and headline the Super Bowl halftime you are American royalty. dkf Feb 2013 #152

+1 nt K8-EEE Feb 2013 #175

Great post! Thanks! n/t Agschmid Feb 2013 #153

Talent? Give me a freaking break. I just returned from an orchestra rehearsal BlueStreak Feb 2013 #155

Just my opinion, but I think there's room in the world of music for..... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #163

"Black folks bring disgrace upon themselves when they celebrate the wrong people" Number23 Feb 2013 #170

agreed #23 K8-EEE Feb 2013 #171

It isn't just black folks, of course BlueStreak Feb 2013 #189

Nicely put! Apophis Feb 2013 #160

Meanwhile the Republicans... Agschmid Feb 2013 #162

This is a most excellent post. ellisonz Feb 2013 #173

do they really show any more skin than the "wholesome" cheerleaders K8-EEE Feb 2013 #174

In a spectacle where 22 bulked-up dudes run around in spandex pants... VOX Feb 2013 #177

Poutrage is an ugly thing. Kalidurga Feb 2013 #178

I believe the show fit the venue perfectly lunatica Feb 2013 #181

Perhaps the truest words uttered on this subject. BlueStreak Feb 2013 #190

hyper-femininity on steriods noiretextatique Feb 2013 #196

So very powerful!1! JNelson6563 Feb 2013 #186

I love this, MrScorpio. Thanks so much for posting. FourScore Feb 2013 #191

I sometimes think I'm the only person on Earth that likes football for football Johonny Feb 2013 #192

I didn't like 840high Feb 2013 #195

I don't like Beyonce or her style of entertainment, it has madmom Feb 2013 #194

plus, she isn't a nice person RILib Feb 2013 #198

I'm kind of disappointed that people are being called "pseudo-feminists" if they disagree with you. patrice Feb 2013 #205

I missed the halftime show (and most of the game) because I had to work... derby378 Feb 2013 #209

What - women of color moment? Zax2me Feb 2013 #211

If she's upset because she's not the most awesome performer we've ever seen... cherokeeprogressive Feb 2013 #215

Tina Turner has been known for her singing/dancing/legs since I can remember R B Garr Feb 2013 #216