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klook

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101. If the guy's a quack, as some on this thread have suggesgted, I'm curious

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 12:50 AM

Feb 2013

as to why the University of Michican School of Dentistry hasn't distanced itself from him or the lab that apparently still bears his name.

On the other hand, Loesche retired in 2000, so I'm also curious about more recent citations related to this research.

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Don't Let Them Pull Out Your Teeth [View all] laborinvain Feb 2013 OP

Saved for future reading. UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2013 #1

A direct parallel jerfro Feb 2013 #27

I agree with the original author laborinvain Feb 2013 #98

Not to mention the fact that the story is blown of of proportion MattBaggins Feb 2013 #124

If you are a hammer, everything looks like a nail SoCalDem Feb 2013 #152

Bookmarked this so that I can pass this information around to others. Thanks! Little Star Feb 2013 #2

+1 great info to give to others Liberal_in_LA Feb 2013 #76

I'm tagging onto your reply because I HAVE to get folks to look at snappyturtle Feb 2013 #78

Can you detail how you use it when you have time? flamingdem Feb 2013 #90

Yes. I put a tsp. or two of baking soda in a cup and enough snappyturtle Feb 2013 #100

Hold hydrogen peroxide in your mouth (around teeth) for at least 3 minutes once a day. xtraxritical Feb 2013 #102

A few of the major bacteria in gum disease are anaerobes. MattBaggins Feb 2013 #126

Yes, I also know hydrogen peroxide has become un-friended for first aid, etc. snappyturtle Feb 2013 #143

Something happened to my link in that post. MattBaggins Feb 2013 #144

I've suffered from the same disease. Thanks for the link! nt snappyturtle Feb 2013 #145

On that same link page I found this snappyturtle Feb 2013 #146

I am not an expert on H2O2 for oral hygiene MattBaggins Feb 2013 #150

Yes, I agree. That's where I first learned of it. nt snappyturtle Feb 2013 #151

Use it everyday! vankuria Feb 2013 #148

I hope you have as much success as I have had. Glad to hear you snappyturtle Feb 2013 #149

I always recommend everyone keep a bottle of HP in their medicine cabinet. vduhr Feb 2013 #154

Great info. Thanks. elleng Feb 2013 #3

So big periodontics is worse than big pharma. TransitJohn Feb 2013 #4

Exactly. bucolic_frolic Feb 2013 #131

A personal story. I had some gum disease for quite a while. Bonhomme Richard Feb 2013 #5

I'mppretty sure Rainforestgoddess Feb 2013 #83

No. Flagyl is an antibiotic used for anaerobic bacteria marybourg Feb 2013 #103

No. It was Flagyl for the C.Diff. n/t Bonhomme Richard Feb 2013 #121

Yus, I was wrong - Rainforestgoddess Feb 2013 #125

K,R, & B obxhead Feb 2013 #6

I have a Sheldon Cooper-like adherence to taking care of my mouth. randome Feb 2013 #7

I've developed this obsession too... a la izquierda Feb 2013 #20

A box of flat toothpicks also works pscot Feb 2013 #36

Water Pik - Absolutely Cynicus Emeritus Feb 2013 #56

YES! My periodontist warned me that jazzimov Feb 2013 #62

I found a new fangled water/air mist rechargeable at Amazon.... I think this is gonna make 2on2u Feb 2013 #72

So do I... sendero Feb 2013 #117

I had no idea. Thanks for posting! nt. OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #8

Definitely bookmarking this one. Thank you. liberal_at_heart Feb 2013 #9

YOGURT with every meal to prevent it. ErikJ Feb 2013 #10

Nothing beats cleaning your mouth after every meal. randome Feb 2013 #17

Brushing and flossing ErikJ Feb 2013 #22

Not necessarily.... MADem Feb 2013 #42

I do recall hearing that, too. You're right. randome Feb 2013 #43

Good bacteria is very important for the whole GI tract siligut Feb 2013 #44

It's a good thing Ron Obvious Feb 2013 #66

TMI Ron, TMI siligut Feb 2013 #68

Isn't that what string bikinis are for? nt tblue37 Feb 2013 #71

The good lactobacillus crowds out the bad germs ErikJ Feb 2013 #82

I Had a Similar Experience - Not W/ Gum Disease But W/ Regular Dentistry dballance Feb 2013 #11

+1 uponit7771 Feb 2013 #111

K, R, & B 1monster Feb 2013 #12

Can't those gum bugs also lead to heart disease? Ligyron Feb 2013 #13

Chronic inflamation of any kind causes bad stuff Cynicus Emeritus Feb 2013 #60

Thank you!!! n/t RKP5637 Feb 2013 #14

Really? Severa years ago my dentist referred me to jazzimov Feb 2013 #15

And don't forget the backs of your 4 rearmost teeth. randome Feb 2013 #25

Excellent advice! Actually, I did have to have 2 of those 4 jazzimov Feb 2013 #55

K & R !!! - Thank You For That !!! WillyT Feb 2013 #16

Thanks for posting. freshwest Feb 2013 #18

thanks for publicizing this info! one fix, please? BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2013 #19

Sorry laborinvain Feb 2013 #96

thanks! all better BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2013 #97

As a 35year university-affiliated dentist, I can only say: PCIntern Feb 2013 #21

i'd rather just hear your opinion about the antibiotic treatment. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #26

You may not want to... PCIntern Feb 2013 #32

i'm very happy to hear your opinion, & think a simple statement of the facts as we understand HiPointDem Feb 2013 #33

Uh huh... PCIntern Feb 2013 #34

Yeah, but he didn't just cite his anectdotal testimony did he? laborinvain Feb 2013 #70

When people want to push a "Miracle CAM woowoo cure" MattBaggins Feb 2013 #132

But is it possible, after gum surgery, Curmudgeoness Feb 2013 #64

Are you saying the person experience is less than factual? Do you have any evidence to negate what.. uponit7771 Feb 2013 #113

LOL I was thinking about you while I read all these responses. proud2BlibKansan Feb 2013 #48

Yeah... PCIntern Feb 2013 #51

frankly I think the OP is BS spam n/t TorchTheWitch Feb 2013 #79

This message was self-deleted by its author savebigbird Feb 2013 #23

Sounds promising for gum disease, but I'm losing mine... Deep13 Feb 2013 #24

I have been through hell with my teeth. RebelOne Feb 2013 #28

Excellent post. Destined to become an all time greatest thread. geckosfeet Feb 2013 #29

You can also use this stuff. I have been using it for about 1.5 years, plethoro Feb 2013 #30

Now watch the cost of Azithromycin shoot up to $10,000 a treatment. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2013 #31

Most dental practices are for-profit businesses adieu Feb 2013 #35

Yes we are and PCIntern Feb 2013 #40

I don't doubt that most dental practices are quite ethical. adieu Feb 2013 #41

No it doesn't... PCIntern Feb 2013 #46

What do you do for a living? MattBaggins Feb 2013 #134

I work with start-ups adieu Feb 2013 #141

I would say 85% are ethical. grantcart Feb 2013 #108

ally my dentists have been corporations - I'd bet most are for legal and tax reasons. msongs Feb 2013 #50

They're S corps, LLPs or LLCs adieu Feb 2013 #140

Out here in Southern California, there's a chain called 'Western Dental' that is coalition_unwilling Feb 2013 #147

If they're a corporate chain adieu Feb 2013 #155

Uh huh... SidDithers Feb 2013 #37

+1 obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #38

+1 NCTraveler Feb 2013 #156

My dentist told me this when I was eighteen. That was over fifty years ago. Cleita Feb 2013 #39

12 grand really? pasto76 Feb 2013 #45

The OP is misleading in so many respects PCIntern Feb 2013 #47

+1 obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #53

Really? Well at least he took the time to tell us in detail about his experience. JimDandy Feb 2013 #54

Oh yeah... PCIntern Feb 2013 #58

Just to be clear laborinvain Feb 2013 #65

"where anyone can log on and spout a bunch of nonsense"... SidDithers Feb 2013 #77

Ah yes.. yet another miracle cure that misuses the work of a dead man MattBaggins Feb 2013 #135

Thanks for a calm, reasoned series of responses. bmbmd Feb 2013 #57

Remember, he is relating HIS personal experiences jazzimov Feb 2013 #59

Of course you should research your condition PCIntern Feb 2013 #69

The original author used brackets laborinvain Feb 2013 #67

good link gum disease info James48 Feb 2013 #49

Thank you for sharing. This reinforces my skepticism of the medical-industrial complex. joanbarnes Feb 2013 #52

Glad to hear a questionable piece supports your confirmation bias. MattBaggins Feb 2013 #133

I feel like I have spend $1 billion of that money they make Curmudgeoness Feb 2013 #61

Bookmarking. -nt CrispyQ Feb 2013 #63

I had an appointment with a dentist xmas74 Feb 2013 #73

Likewise, what happens to the multibillion dollar oncology industry PNW_Dem Feb 2013 #74

What cures for cancer have been suppressed? obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #75

LoL... The woo is piling up in here. MattBaggins Feb 2013 #136

Starting and stopping antibiotics like that is insanity NickB79 Feb 2013 #80

Hmmm, who to believe... laborinvain Feb 2013 #84

And the CDC and Mayo Clinic agree with me, not Dr. Loesche NickB79 Feb 2013 #86

Sigh laborinvain Feb 2013 #95

Are you familiar with your own post? NickB79 Feb 2013 #137

And he also taught microbiology. Stop misusing his name MattBaggins Feb 2013 #139

Well said... SidDithers Feb 2013 #88

Because nothing says legitimate medical advice like an 1800-word article on an internet forum Orrex Feb 2013 #81

k/r Fridays Child Feb 2013 #85

My wife had the antibiotic regimen about 15 years ago. She was able to avoid any Flatulo Feb 2013 #87

Azithromycin is used for fish... L0oniX Feb 2013 #89

It's also an antibiotic for human use csziggy Feb 2013 #99

I distrust periodontists. ChazInAz Feb 2013 #91

I've never been to a perdontist. Brigid Feb 2013 #92

My dentist always uses antibiotic liquids on extractions. Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2013 #93

Wow. I'm impressed... PCIntern Feb 2013 #114

I did NOT say that I had botulism. I don't know the exact germ. Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2013 #159

Wow that's amazing nobodyspecial Feb 2013 #130

Mercury fillings are not toxic to humans... Deep13 Feb 2013 #138

You really believe mercury is non=toxic?? Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2013 #157

Molecular mercury is toxic if ingested... Deep13 Feb 2013 #161

So you haven't watched the video?? Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2013 #163

deep13, why don't you call my dentist and tell her she's full of shit?? Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2013 #160

You can show her my post. Deep13 Feb 2013 #162

Are you scared of the evidence of toxicity??? Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2013 #164

Bookmarking Bozita Feb 2013 #94

If the guy's a quack, as some on this thread have suggesgted, I'm curious klook Feb 2013 #101

I haven't seen anyone suggest that laborinvain Feb 2013 #104

Thanks. klook Feb 2013 #110

Some upthread are suggestion that by their snark response, calling the persons experience anecdotal uponit7771 Feb 2013 #112

Kick to read later, when brain is not full of chili and football. Cracklin Charlie Feb 2013 #105

marking to read later! nt Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #106

Thanks for the info! n/t zeos3 Feb 2013 #107

My periodontist has been inserting a "biopack" about once every 2 years in a particularly deep progree Feb 2013 #109

I have had Arestin used on a few deep pockets over the years with wonderful results. lovelyrita Feb 2013 #116

Will read links later pecwae Feb 2013 #115

GSE cyberspirit Feb 2013 #118

The whole medical, and I guess dental professions are rife with profiteers! Dustlawyer Feb 2013 #119

There are also herbal oil rinses for the gums bucolic_frolic Feb 2013 #120

I don't know anything about dentistry, but this sure has the feel of an advertorial. (nt) Nine Feb 2013 #122

TLDR: A 3-day course of antibiotics is generally too short. BadgerKid Feb 2013 #123

Azithromycin is powerful bucolic_frolic Feb 2013 #127

Thank you! I've saved this. And I have a short story that parallels yours a little... October Feb 2013 #128

Too late for me! Dyedinthewoolliberal Feb 2013 #129

Thank you! I had two questions, and this op addressed one of them. Waiting For Everyman Feb 2013 #142

Thank you! vduhr Feb 2013 #153

Dandy timing! 7wo7rees Feb 2013 #158

Bookmarking. truebluegreen Feb 2013 #165

This doesn't sound right to me passiveporcupine Jul 2014 #166

azithromycin barath Aug 2015 #167