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farminator3000

(2,117 posts)
41. here ya go
Sat Feb 2, 2013, 08:19 PM
Feb 2013
I do believe there are people that want a total ban on all guns in civilian hands.. they admit it. they are in the minority right next to the machine guns and grenade launchers at WalMart people.

yes, they are both out of their respective trees.

I will go with putting all Semi-autos on the NFA, as AOW's with a $5 point of sale tax stamp.... if you refine the SBR, SBS and suppressors process to the same one time and immediate system.

DEFINITE yes on the bold part, but-

i'll just babble because you know what i'm talking about here-

the new AWB is for sure better than the 1st, but if the same thing can be done by using the laws we have already, why not? they've been proven to at least be tolerable for 100+ years in sum.

the GCA has to be factored in/fixed also.
In 1960 Congress changed the transfer tax for all "any other weapon" (AOW) category to $5.

sooo, maybe less than a pack of cigs is just a BIT low? the ATF has no money, the budget is a nightmare, so wouldn't a sliding tax or whatever you'd call it be fair?
like 20% for a $200 gun and 10% for a $2000 one? i think it makes sense to partially fund the ATF that way. if you've got that much scratch for a gat...chip in a little for other gun owners?

just realized the AWB is in the GCA now: (that's 200+ pages its around pg. 26)
http://www.atf.gov/publications/download/p/atf-p-5300-4.pdf

so a NFA 2013, you mean?

The United States Supreme Court, in 1968 decided the case of Haynes v. United States in favor of the defendant, which effectively gutted the National Firearms Act of 1934. As one could possess an NFA firearm and choose not to register it, and not face prosecution due to Fifth Amendment protections, the Act was unenforceable. To deal with this, Congress rewrote the Act to make registration of existing firearms impossible except by the government (previously, an existing firearm could be registered by any citizen). In addition to fixing the defect identified in Haynes, the revision tightened definitions of the firearms regulated by the Act, as well as incorporating a new category of firearm, the Destructive Device, which was first regulated in the Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act of 1968. This revision is known as the National Firearms Act of 1968 to differentiate it from the NFA of 1934, which is a different (and now void) law.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act

the GCA says-
While current law mandates that a background check be performed if the seller has a federal firearms license, private parties living in the same state are not required to perform such checks under federal law. State laws however can prohibit such sales.

obviously that bold part has to go. because of-
Supreme Court decision

In a 5–4 decision, the Supreme Court affirmed the decision of the Court of Appeals. It held that while Congress had broad lawmaking authority under the Commerce Clause, the power was limited, and did not extend so far from "commerce" as to authorize the regulation of the carrying of handguns, especially when there was no evidence that carrying them affected the economy on a massive scale.[9]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Lopez

so all sales can be regulated- they obviously affect the economy.

Subsequent developments

United States v. Lopez (1995) was the first decision in six decades to invalidate a federal statute on the grounds that it exceeded the power of the Congress under the Commerce Clause of the Constitution. The opinion described Wickard v. Filburn as "perhaps the most far reaching example of Commerce Clause authority over intrastate commerce." In Lopez, the Court held that while Congress had broad lawmaking authority under the Commerce Clause, the power was limited, and did not extend so far from "commerce" as to authorize the regulation of the carrying of handguns, especially when there was no evidence that carrying them affected the economy on a massive scale.[2]

SELLING them certainly does, so...(thanks to a farmer trying to skirt wheat growing laws in 1940 or so! how odd...)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wickard_v._Filburn

also-

the Brady bill needs some help. the Tiahrt crap has to go away NOW!

don't know if i mentioned this before, but i (hypothetically) don't care if it is a pistol or a rifle if i'm getting shot at.

the amount of bullets in the gun is the thing, right? just ask dirty harry?

more probs-
“None of the funds made available for injury prevention and control at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention may be used to advocate or promote gun control,” says language added to the CDC appropriations bill in 1996. Two years later, the language was added for all HHS agencies including for the NIH.

The gun lobby’s Tiahrt Amendment restricts law enforcement officials from fully accessing and using Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) gun trace data. Clerks at the ATF literally write records by hand, circa 1950,

The NRA has blocked technology to produce “smart guns” that only operate in their owners’ possession, like smart cars.

“Felons Finding It Easy to Regain Gun Rights,” said a chilling New York Times report in November of 2011.

In similar micro-managing behavioral legislation, the NRA is trying to make it illegal for doctors to ask patients if they have guns in the home.

Thanks to NRA lobbying, gun manufacturers cannot be sued. Unlike Big Tobacco or Big Pharma, the 2005 Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act gives gun makers, gun dealers and trade groups immunity from negligence and product liability lawsuits!
http://gunvictimsaction.org/blog/2013/01/the-nra-hates-gun-regulations-except-when-it-loves-gun-regulation/

am i wrong? isn't the nra a trade group?


The NRA Surge: 99 Laws Rolling Back Gun Restrictions
In the past four years a barrage of measures across 37 states have made it easier to own, carry, and conceal firearms
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/map-gun-laws-2009-2012

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/16/the-6-craziest-state-gun-laws/



heh heh quinnox Feb 2013 #1
My response to OC advocates has always been. SQUEE Feb 2013 #2
I feel the same way. Lizzie Poppet Feb 2013 #7
I'm fairly certain that plenty would agree with this unironically el_bryanto Feb 2013 #3
I like how OC people think they're the only ones in the world with rights. Why shouldn't sinkingfeeling Feb 2013 #4
I agree. But most toters view their guns as part of who they are. Hoyt Feb 2013 #5
So it's like walking around in pasties? n/t Scootaloo Feb 2013 #10
Sort of, but reaction is a bit different. Hoyt Feb 2013 #14
In other words, proof that gun love Zoeisright Feb 2013 #18
You're making that an expression of free speech. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #21
no farminator3000 Feb 2013 #37
...and further more...... Sheepshank Feb 2013 #6
I assume you are trying to be edgy and make a point.. SQUEE Feb 2013 #8
my point is that the "slippery slope" advocates are concerned over total bans Sheepshank Feb 2013 #9
I do agree SQUEE Feb 2013 #12
Well first, I'm, not real gun savvy and NFA, AOW, SBR, SBS .... Sheepshank Feb 2013 #23
It would be a registration and control via background checks and storage/ posession requirements SQUEE Feb 2013 #25
"I also think if you want "compromise" then come to the table with something for me, a responsible, farminator3000 Feb 2013 #34
nope, I am willing to compromise. SQUEE Feb 2013 #39
here ya go farminator3000 Feb 2013 #41
I agree with opening up the NICS to non FFLs. SQUEE Feb 2013 #42
a flat rate isn't fair to 'cheap gun' buyers, and the GCA needs tweaking farminator3000 Feb 2013 #44
I know people that save for a year or more to build thier ARs or to acquire a high end rifle. SQUEE Feb 2013 #45
"line up a target or two at the park?" "Not even necessarily shoot, but practice some sight work." cherokeeprogressive Feb 2013 #26
But, 'they' don't need no stinking rules regarding safety? Sheepshank Feb 2013 #43
That idiot did not carry that weapon in a safe manner. Ikonoklast Feb 2013 #30
+1000 raidert05 Feb 2013 #31
I am an advocate for INTERNAL Carry CBGLuthier Feb 2013 #11
Yes jehop61 Feb 2013 #13
There you go. Best proposal yet. Can't wait for firearms industry to develop holsters for that. Hoyt Feb 2013 #15
Nice One---Provided Their Heads Aren't In The Way.... (nt) Paladin Feb 2013 #16
LOL! Zoeisright Feb 2013 #17
So, by your logic you are now going to limit a persons sexual fredom. SQUEE Feb 2013 #24
why would would you pretend an obvious joke is 'logic' farminator3000 Feb 2013 #32
not huffy, but if we are labeled as fetishists.. SQUEE Feb 2013 #35
see #34 farminator3000 Feb 2013 #38
Actualy in person, I am far more fun.. SQUEE Feb 2013 #40
You are mistaken in your list of restricted places. ManiacJoe Feb 2013 #19
he's wrong, but not wrong, because you are from AZ or AK? farminator3000 Feb 2013 #33
Ask them if they allow you to carry at NRA headquarters. n/t Mr.Bill Feb 2013 #20
Good point. Gun shows/stores, NRA buildings, GOP convention, etc., do not allow loaded weapons. Hoyt Feb 2013 #27
If I MUST live around guns, I whole heartedly support Open Carry. nt patrice Feb 2013 #22
Handguns... raidert05 Feb 2013 #28
*sigh* I guess I should retire my forehead holster. Deep13 Feb 2013 #29
How about a Wall Street brokerage firm? Ian Iam Feb 2013 #36
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