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In reply to the discussion: For those that like to wear and expose their personal firearms at JC Penney [View all]farminator3000
(2,117 posts)41. here ya go
I do believe there are people that want a total ban on all guns in civilian hands.. they admit it. they are in the minority right next to the machine guns and grenade launchers at WalMart people.
yes, they are both out of their respective trees.
I will go with putting all Semi-autos on the NFA, as AOW's with a $5 point of sale tax stamp.... if you refine the SBR, SBS and suppressors process to the same one time and immediate system.
DEFINITE yes on the bold part, but-
i'll just babble because you know what i'm talking about here-
the new AWB is for sure better than the 1st, but if the same thing can be done by using the laws we have already, why not? they've been proven to at least be tolerable for 100+ years in sum.
the GCA has to be factored in/fixed also.
In 1960 Congress changed the transfer tax for all "any other weapon" (AOW) category to $5.
sooo, maybe less than a pack of cigs is just a BIT low? the ATF has no money, the budget is a nightmare, so wouldn't a sliding tax or whatever you'd call it be fair?
like 20% for a $200 gun and 10% for a $2000 one? i think it makes sense to partially fund the ATF that way. if you've got that much scratch for a gat...chip in a little for other gun owners?
just realized the AWB is in the GCA now: (that's 200+ pages its around pg. 26)
http://www.atf.gov/publications/download/p/atf-p-5300-4.pdf
so a NFA 2013, you mean?
The United States Supreme Court, in 1968 decided the case of Haynes v. United States in favor of the defendant, which effectively gutted the National Firearms Act of 1934. As one could possess an NFA firearm and choose not to register it, and not face prosecution due to Fifth Amendment protections, the Act was unenforceable. To deal with this, Congress rewrote the Act to make registration of existing firearms impossible except by the government (previously, an existing firearm could be registered by any citizen). In addition to fixing the defect identified in Haynes, the revision tightened definitions of the firearms regulated by the Act, as well as incorporating a new category of firearm, the Destructive Device, which was first regulated in the Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act of 1968. This revision is known as the National Firearms Act of 1968 to differentiate it from the NFA of 1934, which is a different (and now void) law.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act
the GCA says-
While current law mandates that a background check be performed if the seller has a federal firearms license, private parties living in the same state are not required to perform such checks under federal law. State laws however can prohibit such sales.
obviously that bold part has to go. because of-
Supreme Court decision
In a 54 decision, the Supreme Court affirmed the decision of the Court of Appeals. It held that while Congress had broad lawmaking authority under the Commerce Clause, the power was limited, and did not extend so far from "commerce" as to authorize the regulation of the carrying of handguns, especially when there was no evidence that carrying them affected the economy on a massive scale.[9]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Lopez
so all sales can be regulated- they obviously affect the economy.
Subsequent developments
United States v. Lopez (1995) was the first decision in six decades to invalidate a federal statute on the grounds that it exceeded the power of the Congress under the Commerce Clause of the Constitution. The opinion described Wickard v. Filburn as "perhaps the most far reaching example of Commerce Clause authority over intrastate commerce." In Lopez, the Court held that while Congress had broad lawmaking authority under the Commerce Clause, the power was limited, and did not extend so far from "commerce" as to authorize the regulation of the carrying of handguns, especially when there was no evidence that carrying them affected the economy on a massive scale.[2]
SELLING them certainly does, so...(thanks to a farmer trying to skirt wheat growing laws in 1940 or so! how odd...)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wickard_v._Filburn
also-
the Brady bill needs some help. the Tiahrt crap has to go away NOW!
don't know if i mentioned this before, but i (hypothetically) don't care if it is a pistol or a rifle if i'm getting shot at.
the amount of bullets in the gun is the thing, right? just ask dirty harry?
more probs-
None of the funds made available for injury prevention and control at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention may be used to advocate or promote gun control, says language added to the CDC appropriations bill in 1996. Two years later, the language was added for all HHS agencies including for the NIH.
The gun lobbys Tiahrt Amendment restricts law enforcement officials from fully accessing and using Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) gun trace data. Clerks at the ATF literally write records by hand, circa 1950,
The NRA has blocked technology to produce smart guns that only operate in their owners possession, like smart cars.
Felons Finding It Easy to Regain Gun Rights, said a chilling New York Times report in November of 2011.
In similar micro-managing behavioral legislation, the NRA is trying to make it illegal for doctors to ask patients if they have guns in the home.
Thanks to NRA lobbying, gun manufacturers cannot be sued. Unlike Big Tobacco or Big Pharma, the 2005 Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act gives gun makers, gun dealers and trade groups immunity from negligence and product liability lawsuits!
http://gunvictimsaction.org/blog/2013/01/the-nra-hates-gun-regulations-except-when-it-loves-gun-regulation/
am i wrong? isn't the nra a trade group?
The NRA Surge: 99 Laws Rolling Back Gun Restrictions
In the past four years a barrage of measures across 37 states have made it easier to own, carry, and conceal firearms
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/map-gun-laws-2009-2012
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/16/the-6-craziest-state-gun-laws/
yes, they are both out of their respective trees.
I will go with putting all Semi-autos on the NFA, as AOW's with a $5 point of sale tax stamp.... if you refine the SBR, SBS and suppressors process to the same one time and immediate system.
DEFINITE yes on the bold part, but-
i'll just babble because you know what i'm talking about here-
the new AWB is for sure better than the 1st, but if the same thing can be done by using the laws we have already, why not? they've been proven to at least be tolerable for 100+ years in sum.
the GCA has to be factored in/fixed also.
In 1960 Congress changed the transfer tax for all "any other weapon" (AOW) category to $5.
sooo, maybe less than a pack of cigs is just a BIT low? the ATF has no money, the budget is a nightmare, so wouldn't a sliding tax or whatever you'd call it be fair?
like 20% for a $200 gun and 10% for a $2000 one? i think it makes sense to partially fund the ATF that way. if you've got that much scratch for a gat...chip in a little for other gun owners?
just realized the AWB is in the GCA now: (that's 200+ pages its around pg. 26)
http://www.atf.gov/publications/download/p/atf-p-5300-4.pdf
so a NFA 2013, you mean?
The United States Supreme Court, in 1968 decided the case of Haynes v. United States in favor of the defendant, which effectively gutted the National Firearms Act of 1934. As one could possess an NFA firearm and choose not to register it, and not face prosecution due to Fifth Amendment protections, the Act was unenforceable. To deal with this, Congress rewrote the Act to make registration of existing firearms impossible except by the government (previously, an existing firearm could be registered by any citizen). In addition to fixing the defect identified in Haynes, the revision tightened definitions of the firearms regulated by the Act, as well as incorporating a new category of firearm, the Destructive Device, which was first regulated in the Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act of 1968. This revision is known as the National Firearms Act of 1968 to differentiate it from the NFA of 1934, which is a different (and now void) law.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act
the GCA says-
While current law mandates that a background check be performed if the seller has a federal firearms license, private parties living in the same state are not required to perform such checks under federal law. State laws however can prohibit such sales.
obviously that bold part has to go. because of-
Supreme Court decision
In a 54 decision, the Supreme Court affirmed the decision of the Court of Appeals. It held that while Congress had broad lawmaking authority under the Commerce Clause, the power was limited, and did not extend so far from "commerce" as to authorize the regulation of the carrying of handguns, especially when there was no evidence that carrying them affected the economy on a massive scale.[9]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Lopez
so all sales can be regulated- they obviously affect the economy.
Subsequent developments
United States v. Lopez (1995) was the first decision in six decades to invalidate a federal statute on the grounds that it exceeded the power of the Congress under the Commerce Clause of the Constitution. The opinion described Wickard v. Filburn as "perhaps the most far reaching example of Commerce Clause authority over intrastate commerce." In Lopez, the Court held that while Congress had broad lawmaking authority under the Commerce Clause, the power was limited, and did not extend so far from "commerce" as to authorize the regulation of the carrying of handguns, especially when there was no evidence that carrying them affected the economy on a massive scale.[2]
SELLING them certainly does, so...(thanks to a farmer trying to skirt wheat growing laws in 1940 or so! how odd...)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wickard_v._Filburn
also-
the Brady bill needs some help. the Tiahrt crap has to go away NOW!
don't know if i mentioned this before, but i (hypothetically) don't care if it is a pistol or a rifle if i'm getting shot at.
the amount of bullets in the gun is the thing, right? just ask dirty harry?
more probs-
None of the funds made available for injury prevention and control at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention may be used to advocate or promote gun control, says language added to the CDC appropriations bill in 1996. Two years later, the language was added for all HHS agencies including for the NIH.
The gun lobbys Tiahrt Amendment restricts law enforcement officials from fully accessing and using Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) gun trace data. Clerks at the ATF literally write records by hand, circa 1950,
The NRA has blocked technology to produce smart guns that only operate in their owners possession, like smart cars.
Felons Finding It Easy to Regain Gun Rights, said a chilling New York Times report in November of 2011.
In similar micro-managing behavioral legislation, the NRA is trying to make it illegal for doctors to ask patients if they have guns in the home.
Thanks to NRA lobbying, gun manufacturers cannot be sued. Unlike Big Tobacco or Big Pharma, the 2005 Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act gives gun makers, gun dealers and trade groups immunity from negligence and product liability lawsuits!
http://gunvictimsaction.org/blog/2013/01/the-nra-hates-gun-regulations-except-when-it-loves-gun-regulation/
am i wrong? isn't the nra a trade group?
The NRA Surge: 99 Laws Rolling Back Gun Restrictions
In the past four years a barrage of measures across 37 states have made it easier to own, carry, and conceal firearms
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/map-gun-laws-2009-2012
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/16/the-6-craziest-state-gun-laws/
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For those that like to wear and expose their personal firearms at JC Penney [View all]
Sheepshank
Feb 2013
OP
I like how OC people think they're the only ones in the world with rights. Why shouldn't
sinkingfeeling
Feb 2013
#4
my point is that the "slippery slope" advocates are concerned over total bans
Sheepshank
Feb 2013
#9
It would be a registration and control via background checks and storage/ posession requirements
SQUEE
Feb 2013
#25
"I also think if you want "compromise" then come to the table with something for me, a responsible,
farminator3000
Feb 2013
#34
a flat rate isn't fair to 'cheap gun' buyers, and the GCA needs tweaking
farminator3000
Feb 2013
#44
I know people that save for a year or more to build thier ARs or to acquire a high end rifle.
SQUEE
Feb 2013
#45
"line up a target or two at the park?" "Not even necessarily shoot, but practice some sight work."
cherokeeprogressive
Feb 2013
#26
There you go. Best proposal yet. Can't wait for firearms industry to develop holsters for that.
Hoyt
Feb 2013
#15