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krispos42

(49,445 posts)
37. Here is what is driving me absolutely up a wall.
Sat Feb 2, 2013, 05:46 PM
Feb 2013

We would get far more immediate and far better results if the Democrats had THE GODDAMN STONES to take on the private-prison industry and the pharmaceutical industry!

But no, the Democrats can't DO THAT, now can they? No no no. So they wait for a tragedy, puff themselves up real righteous-like, and announce they're taking on the NRA!

Yeah, fuck the NRA!

And we're going to put all their political will and capital and PR into TAKING ON THE GUN LOBBY...


...and banning pistol-grip rifles and shotguns. FUCK YEAH!!! Fuck those protruding pistol grips!!!!

And maybe they'll get a limit on magazine capacity. Because having to make mass killers change magazines more often, thus giving his intended targets more time to tackle him, is the solution that we're all seeking here, right?


And they, if they get that, they'll sit there and preen and pat themselves on the back and beg for your money and mine, your vote and mine, because THEY TOOK ON THE GUN LOBBY, and won't you re-elect them in 2014? See how STRONG they are, advocating for you?





There are about a half-dozen issues that the Democrats effectively don't have a spine on. A half-dozen issues that would do major good for society but that they won't touch, even with an enraged public on their side. Reimposing Glass-Steagall. Medicare for all. Recreational drug legalization. Getting out of NAFTA and the WTO. Universal free higher education. Repealing Taft-Hartley.

Things that will actually make us smarter, richer, safer, healthier, and better able to govern ourselves.

And they're crowing about protruding pistol grips being banned from shotguns and rifles.





I would rather they bowed down before the NRA and gave us Medicare-for-all, because THAT would save far more lives, improve our economy, and break the stranglehold that shitty, abusive corporations have on their workers. Outlawing protruding pistol grips won't quite do that.






But you asked what I think we should do for gun laws. Thank you for doing that; few people actually bother to ask. They prefer to tell me instead, then argue when problems with their idea were pointed out.


1) Universal background checks. The ATF should create a special kind of license. This license, which I'll call "Firearms Transfer Agent License" or FTAL, would be issued by the ATF to people that would make money acting as a transfer agent from a private seller to a private buyer. An FTAL would not be a stocking firearms dealer, but would have access to the NICS system and would have all the appropriate forms to purchase a firearm. The fee the FTAL could charge would be no more than 3x the federal minimum wage (currently, $21.45) to transfer a gun.

I think that there would be a lot of people that would make some extra money on the side by doing these transfers. A nice little kitchen-table business. Currently, only federal firearm licensees (FFLs) can access NICS.

I guess we could call the permit "FaTAL", too...

2) A purchase limit of 12 guns a year. After your 12th gun is purchased in a calender year, the NICS system will not approve any more transfers until January 1st of the next year. If you want to buy more guns than that, get a permit.

I'll even go lower, down to 10. I based the "12" on the fact that some states have a one-gun-a-month policy, or 12 per year total.

This should cut down on trafficking.

3) A sale limit of 12 guns per year, unless the sales are to a federally licensed dealer. Again, after you sell your 12th gun, the NICS system refuses to approve any more transfers until January 1st, unless you're selling them to an FFL.

Again, if you're selling this many guns to private individuals, you're really a dealer and should be licensed as such.. This also should cut down on trafficking.

4) The ATF should keep records of what guns are sold by who. Not bought; that would be national registration, which I am not for. But if the ATF knew a gun's sale history, they could track down the last owner of a gun recovered in a crime by paying a visit to the last seller of the gun. This would keep the DoJ and the various police forces from trolling through databases (or the newspapers from printing lists of gun owners), yet still provide them with the ability to quickly find the owner of a gun. And if the last seller didn't know... then they've collared a guy feeding guns illegal to criminals.

5) Start denying transportation funds to states that are not in compliance with reporting mental-health and criminal records to NICS. If you don't want to spend the money to keep NICS current, you can maintain your own damn highways. Give the money as a bonus to states that ARE compliant!


How's that for a start?

+10000. Merely enacting stricter BG checks, while better than nothing, still ignores these weapon Hoyt Feb 2013 #1
The background checks will prevent unregulated straw men... Deep13 Feb 2013 #2
I'm not saying that back ground checks aren't important, they are. But ... Tx4obama Feb 2013 #3
The current Federal laws against straw buying aren't working now Lurks Often Feb 2013 #7
But you can still do it by calling it a personal transfer. Deep13 Feb 2013 #9
But if nobody enforces the law Lurks Often Feb 2013 #14
It is enforced. The FBI check is a precondition for a lawful... Deep13 Feb 2013 #17
I disagree as to the effectiveness of a NICS check Lurks Often Feb 2013 #20
Anyone who can get heroin will also always be able to get a gun. That's not what this is about Recursion Feb 2013 #39
Please stop with these worn out arguments. They are used by the NRA and we don't need CTyankee Feb 2013 #18
I'm not saying nothing can be done, Lurks Often Feb 2013 #19
but what I'd like to not see you stop there. It implies "oh, too bad..." and nothing more. CTyankee Feb 2013 #21
Release non-violent drug offenders Lurks Often Feb 2013 #23
Good ideas! CTyankee Feb 2013 #25
It isn't so much my theory, but Lurks Often Feb 2013 #35
And . . . it wouldn't be effective. JDPriestly Feb 2013 #4
Yup, if Congress tries to regulate in state, private sales through the Commerce Clause, Lurks Often Feb 2013 #6
It only has to have an effect on interstate commerce. Deep13 Feb 2013 #10
We're getting deep into legalese with this, Lurks Often Feb 2013 #13
The states don't have to agree. Deep13 Feb 2013 #16
Bingo. They know they will lose on something. So they offer that issue up. applegrove Feb 2013 #5
I think the opposite. Lizzie Poppet Feb 2013 #8
But my OP wasn't about which is more useful, it's about how the NRA is trying to put ... Tx4obama Feb 2013 #12
I know. I was just commenting on that particular statement. Lizzie Poppet Feb 2013 #15
If you think an AWB is useful, you'd be incorrect. krispos42 Feb 2013 #11
Let's not get into drug laws here, altho there is a huge connection in inner city violence. I just CTyankee Feb 2013 #22
Why not? krispos42 Feb 2013 #24
THis falls under the "art of the possible" which is what politics is. CTyankee Feb 2013 #29
Here is what is driving me absolutely up a wall. krispos42 Feb 2013 #37
good. Have you contacted your own reps/sens with these suggestions? CTyankee Feb 2013 #38
No,I do all my griping and such on DU. krispos42 Feb 2013 #40
well, we're not going to change the laws here at DU, are we? CTyankee Feb 2013 #41
Yes they do commit crimes because they have a gun. Zimmerman would have sat in his car without a gun Hoyt Feb 2013 #31
So says you. krispos42 Feb 2013 #36
Despite your support for Zimmie, I think he was just another chicken chit bolstered by his gun. Hoyt Feb 2013 #43
My support for Zimmerman? krispos42 Feb 2013 #44
They are relying on everyone having ADDHD... liberal N proud Feb 2013 #26
I agree. Zimmerman, Loughner, Holmes, Stawicki, etc., had legal weapons and some had permits. Hoyt Feb 2013 #27
Right, but the AWB addresses 0% of the problem Recursion Feb 2013 #32
No, a new AWB -- "A" defined as semi-autos -- will all but shut down the gun industry. Hoyt Feb 2013 #33
A semi-auto ban would accomplish something. Get somebody to introduce one (nt) Recursion Feb 2013 #34
Actually was listening to an NPR program where they had an NRA supporter nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #28
Background checks are much much much more important and a much better idea Recursion Feb 2013 #30
Fine. Get to your reps/sens and let them know EXACTLY what you have said here! CTyankee Feb 2013 #42
My Rep can't vote and I have no Senators Recursion Feb 2013 #46
That is a shame. And a national disgrace. CTyankee Feb 2013 #47
It would hurt sales to Mexican drug cartels. moondust Feb 2013 #45
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