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12. Invincible ignorance is not a path to victory

Reply to upaloopa (Reply #10)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 12:26 PM

Jan 2013

just saying.

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A thought about an assault weapons ban [View all] upaloopa Jan 2013 OP

I agree. That dialog is important in changing how we view guns and gun owners, particularly those Hoyt Jan 2013 #1

The idea of creating a catagory of weapons based on arbitrary features, then banning them... krispos42 Jan 2013 #2

the idea of creating the 'cateGORY of weapons' was the gun MAKER'S idea, really. gory indeed farminator3000 Jan 2013 #14

So laundry_queen Jan 2013 #97

*sigh* krispos42 Jan 2013 #107

I thought part of the gun culture was pride in how quickly you can kill a person, if you wanted. sadbear Jan 2013 #3

NO not at all they would take pride in the fact their gun was the same model used in mass killings Lesmoderesstupides Jan 2013 #4

agreed nt clarice Jan 2013 #96

You only have to kill (or incapacitate) them quickly enough to stop them from killing you sylvi Jan 2013 #76

The problem is there's not really a distinction between assault and "non-assault" weapons Recursion Jan 2013 #5

To the discussion I was talking about none of that matters. upaloopa Jan 2013 #7

There is no strength in ignorance hack89 Jan 2013 #9

there is strength in stopping all sales of the stupid guns farminator3000 Jan 2013 #16

They are not better guns hack89 Jan 2013 #20

says you! farminator3000 Jan 2013 #26

Both my wife and daughter are small framed hack89 Jan 2013 #31

so pony up and get them a sweet tikka lite farminator3000 Jan 2013 #44

I don't care what you think is an accurate statement, yes. hack89 Jan 2013 #50

And don't forget that Feinstein was against the talking filibuster nick of time Jan 2013 #54

why does ol' wayney lapuko keep having hissy fits about it? he says it is the spawn of satan farminator3000 Jan 2013 #89

I don't care what he thinks - he is an idiot. hack89 Jan 2013 #92

good for you! i'd think he would be a major embarrassment to ANY sane gun owner! farminator3000 Jan 2013 #95

There are good reasons only a tiny percentage of gun owners are NRA members. hack89 Jan 2013 #98

um. yes, and no. farminator3000 Jan 2013 #100

Did you notice the comment on BATF paperwork? Think about it for a second hack89 Jan 2013 #101

well, then, think about WHY handguns are as common and easy to get as DILDOS farminator3000 Jan 2013 #103

I have no problem with the CDC researching gun violence hack89 Jan 2013 #104

good! kinda awful how the nra hampers the CDC farminator3000 Jan 2013 #106

then why, pray tell, did the GUN MAKERS INVENT IT?? farminator3000 Jan 2013 #15

To sell more. Recursion Jan 2013 #19

thank you for your agreement farminator3000 Jan 2013 #28

Not sure what you mean by "get it off my chest" Recursion Jan 2013 #42

i'm not quite sure what you mean, ever, soo... farminator3000 Jan 2013 #65

Oldsmobile had a model called a "Rocket 88." It did not fly. It sold. Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #21

olds never made a tank or troop transport farminator3000 Jan 2013 #29

Oldsmobile made most of the self-propelled artillery the US used in WWII Recursion Jan 2013 #41

we have 2 GMC army trucks on the farm, actually. NOT automatics... farminator3000 Jan 2013 #64

Are you sure you don't mean Josh Sugarmann of the VPC? derby378 Jan 2013 #36

no, like i frikin' said, i mean smith&wesson calling them 'M&P" farminator3000 Jan 2013 #55

"our sales are slumping" sylvi Jan 2013 #77

right, without the corporate BS doublespeak, it means 'our sales aren't increasing fast enough' farminator3000 Jan 2013 #81

That's the plan? aikoaiko Jan 2013 #6

no, not the plan, what you typed makes no sense farminator3000 Jan 2013 #18

It's not going to pass but it will cause a run on the guns. dkf Jan 2013 #37

there IS a run on guns now, yes. and they are in short supply. farminator3000 Jan 2013 #57

There will still be a new model next year, with its grip shape changed. That will sell too Recursion Jan 2013 #61

And the manufacturer's will just change the name nick of time Jan 2013 #62

It's about a month too late for that worry Recursion Jan 2013 #59

Can you show me the part of the law that allows guns to be listed without amending the law? aikoaiko Jan 2013 #67

nbc news can farminator3000 Jan 2013 #68

You said one thing in post 18 and something different in post 68. aikoaiko Jan 2013 #71

no, both statements are 'no more copycats' - it bans the listed guns AND new ones with the features farminator3000 Jan 2013 #78

Its an AR with a monsterman grip and no other evil features except detachable mag aikoaiko Jan 2013 #82

ok, the monsterman thing is what they used to get around laws in cali farminator3000 Jan 2013 #85

Such a grip will also make an AR compliant with the proposed AWB aikoaiko Jan 2013 #93

great, keep the AR, just no 30 round mags farminator3000 Jan 2013 #99

Which would segue into a conversation about handguns? hack89 Jan 2013 #8

I am not going to respond to gunner questions anymore. upaloopa Jan 2013 #10

Invincible ignorance is not a path to victory hack89 Jan 2013 #12

I'm not playing games upaloopa Jan 2013 #38

I agree - it is only a discussion board after all. nt hack89 Jan 2013 #39

i've got your back farminator3000 Jan 2013 #30

sure, why not? it already IS part of the convo, so try agin. no, dont try again... farminator3000 Jan 2013 #22

Handguns are actually the choice of most mass shootings hack89 Jan 2013 #27

I'd even ditch the magazine restrictions, too derby378 Jan 2013 #40

Meh. Consumer culture is full of arbitrary decisions like that. Recursion Jan 2013 #58

not really. they are easier to conceal, sure. there is one thing in common in mass shootings.. farminator3000 Jan 2013 #43

An AR-15 that is compliant with the new AWB will still be just as deadly hack89 Jan 2013 #48

Insulting people is generally not a good way to get them to cooperate, or to change their minds. slackmaster Jan 2013 #11

not really an insult, the answer to the ? posed is a simple yes. farminator3000 Jan 2013 #23

Please spare me the sophistry, farminator4000. The innuendo is obvious. slackmaster Jan 2013 #35

no innuendo about a resonable person saying 'why do you have that silly gun?' farminator3000 Jan 2013 #53

If you can't see the TWO insults inherent in that reply, I can't help you understand any better. slackmaster Jan 2013 #60

Oh, I beg to differ... The next time someone ties my penis around a gun, I'm going to melt ALL of my cherokeeprogressive Jan 2013 #74

So the purpose of a new AWB sarisataka Jan 2013 #13

read the new AWB farminator3000 Jan 2013 #24

I have sarisataka Jan 2013 #32

banning 150+ crappy guns and allowing 900+ good ones is nothing? farminator3000 Jan 2013 #46

Thousands of AR get sold by shady dealers just for profit every day? nick of time Jan 2013 #49

i think i meant 'guns', but if you want a guess at how many ARs, sure farminator3000 Jan 2013 #83

Banning 150+ of the most popular guns sarisataka Jan 2013 #72

popular to who? the nra and gun makers, really. if they never started pushing them, would you gun farminator3000 Jan 2013 #84

I find it funny sarisataka Jan 2013 #88

it isn't funny, people are dying every 45 minutes, so stop laughing. farminator3000 Jan 2013 #90

I meant funny strange, not funny haha sarisataka Jan 2013 #91

ok, gotcha! farminator3000 Jan 2013 #94

Couple possibilities sarisataka Jan 2013 #102

thanks! reality can be shadowy...another ? farminator3000 Jan 2013 #105

Sounds like fireworks here sarisataka Jan 2013 #108

The AWB is to force gun makers to make cosmetic changes to their rifles hack89 Jan 2013 #33

that's the OLD awb, silly farminator3000 Jan 2013 #47

You better read closer hack89 Jan 2013 #51

Not so sure... jmg257 Jan 2013 #63

It specifically calls out the Ruger Mini-14 Tactical Rife M–14/20CF hack89 Jan 2013 #69

Thanks for the clarification. nt jmg257 Jan 2013 #70

Wow - 122 page bill, of which 99 pages are a list of exemtions...wild! nt jmg257 Jan 2013 #66

Look at that list. Most of the "exemptions" are bolt-action rifles. slackmaster Jan 2013 #80

The hard on for grips is wanting less safety and accuracy in hopes of accidental shootings TheKentuckian Jan 2013 #73

Here's the proposed AWB. It doesn't do what you seem to think it does about BG checks Recursion Jan 2013 #34

BG checks are mentioned precisely ONCE farminator3000 Jan 2013 #52

It infuriates me that both the NRA and our party agree on this in substance, and it keeps... Recursion Jan 2013 #56

Seems like a "lite" version of the stuff you see on DU... Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #17

look at post #14 farminator3000 Jan 2013 #25

In other words guardian Jan 2013 #75

you must of read some other post, not mine farminator3000 Jan 2013 #79

No I was reading your post guardian Jan 2013 #86

then what are you talking about? farminator3000 Jan 2013 #87

Sorry, but pointless regjoe Jan 2013 #45