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AgingAmerican

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216. Apple's interface takes too many clicks to do anything

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Tue Jan 29, 2013, 09:18 AM

Jan 2013

It is not at all intuitive and is about 20 years behind the curve in software engineering.

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Microsoft blames OEMs for slow Windows 8 sales, plans February "relaunch" [View all] DainBramaged Jan 2013 OP

Bill Gates' college roommate will be history by the end of the year. nt onehandle Jan 2013 #1

Amazing He's Lasted This Long n/t Yavin4 Jan 2013 #8

Good riddance. He has no vision and is a wingnut that is out of place in a mostly progressive bluestate10 Jan 2013 #74

That is, indeed, hilarious since Microsoft went out of its way to compete with its OEMs. randome Jan 2013 #2

Trying to force a TAB OS on desktop users AgingAmerican Jan 2013 #3

Yep. Exactly. EOM. Taverner Jan 2013 #5

+1 leftstreet Jan 2013 #10

Jesus, that's a scary comparison. It boggles the mind. randome Jan 2013 #21

Awesome pic. jsr Jan 2013 #63

I was under the impression you could set Windows 8 to show Arkana Jan 2013 #228

Sort of - the old Windows desktop has been gimped. backscatter712 Jan 2013 #231

I've wondered the same thing BuelahWitch Jan 2013 #12

because the two markets are going to merge Johonny Jan 2013 #14

Sure, the future. In the present, it's a Microsoft fail. randome Jan 2013 #16

You still have keyboard and mouse support wisechoice Jan 2013 #24

I'm one of those cubicle workers. I can think of NO reason to touch my screen for any purpose. randome Jan 2013 #36

Then you don't need to use it wisechoice Jan 2013 #40

LOL. I have no problem whatsoever learning something new. randome Jan 2013 #45

windows 8 is to stop ipad taking away pc market share wisechoice Jan 2013 #70

Is this how it works? randome Jan 2013 #73

you can pin your programs to task bar wisechoice Jan 2013 #85

I'm one of those who hates the clutter of icons. randome Jan 2013 #92

tell me an os without icons. wisechoice Jan 2013 #106

My point is that in previous OSs, you could organize your menus the way you wanted. randome Jan 2013 #112

When the ... sendero Jan 2013 #87

It is not about microsoft trying to control market wisechoice Jan 2013 #111

I misspoke.. sendero Jan 2013 #203

Most of the successful companies are like that wisechoice Jan 2013 #232

As if screens aren't hard enough to keep ohheckyeah Jan 2013 #43

I cringe when someone touches my screen to make a point. randome Jan 2013 #58

Touch screens aren't particularly new. backscatter712 Jan 2013 #147

I actually had something similar to what you described set up between my Nintendo DS... Humanist_Activist Jan 2013 #151

I'd be more willing to try a device like you describe than I would Win8. randome Jan 2013 #157

My critiques of Windows 8: backscatter712 Jan 2013 #167

About that tablet as input device... greyl Jan 2013 #184

"The vast majority of office users don't need a desktop computer" AgingAmerican Jan 2013 #17

I don't see how different devices designed for different purposes will merge... Humanist_Activist Jan 2013 #27

I really can't see the vast majority of businesses BuelahWitch Jan 2013 #46

If they adopt it at all IDemo Jan 2013 #117

"The vast majority of office users don't need a desktop computer" Lol, this is a joke... Humanist_Activist Jan 2013 #169

Windows 8 still has desktop wisechoice Jan 2013 #20

The problem is that its gimped and not the default interface... Humanist_Activist Jan 2013 #28

The start screen is the old start button wisechoice Jan 2013 #35

OS X uses the Dock rather than the Start Button to launch programs jmowreader Jan 2013 #47

windows has task bar wisechoice Jan 2013 #67

Then what's the point of having two different interfaces? randome Jan 2013 #30

You know, it would have been genius if they did it, but in reverse... Humanist_Activist Jan 2013 #37

MS wants to shove its tablet interface down users' throats Yavin4 Jan 2013 #75

"have the installer be smart enough to detect if you have a touchscreen" BuelahWitch Jan 2013 #88

Its not even that hard, the installer has to install drivers for that touchscreen anyways... Humanist_Activist Jan 2013 #105

I think this is a marketing decision wisechoice Jan 2013 #103

Yes, it is well suited to touch screens, not everyone has those, nor is it practical in every... Humanist_Activist Jan 2013 #108

Microsoft still supports windows 7 wisechoice Jan 2013 #120

They will continue to support it , with backend support and updates for a decade... Humanist_Activist Jan 2013 #122

To support running os in different devices. wisechoice Jan 2013 #38

Your argument would be valid if they did as I suggested in post 37. Humanist_Activist Jan 2013 #48

Except without tweaks, they forced users to accept metro by default. No business wants to force still_one Jan 2013 #134

shit OS, shit company datasuspect Jan 2013 #4

Funny that you say that AgingAmerican Jan 2013 #18

You're Making Me Laugh dballance Jan 2013 #29

Best description ever. jsr Jan 2013 #65

But it's not the fact that no one wants to run a cell phone OS on their desktop! Initech Jan 2013 #6

MS may be done Yavin4 Jan 2013 #7

They need to break themselves up. randome Jan 2013 #9

Windows 8 made me switch to Apple recently Lesmoderesstupides Jan 2013 #11

Apple is almost as bad with their antiquated interface AgingAmerican Jan 2013 #19

What's so Antiquated About Apple's Interface? I Kind of Like That it... dballance Jan 2013 #31

Architecturally the OSX interface is very old. Xithras Jan 2013 #84

Where is this trend, or meme of "convergence" coming from? Humanist_Activist Jan 2013 #145

Under the hood of OSX is essentially a derivative of BSD Unix. backscatter712 Jan 2013 #182

yep and about 95% of the internet is running on linux servers Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #205

Apple's interface takes too many clicks to do anything AgingAmerican Jan 2013 #216

I'm not fascinated by touch screen technology. lpbk2713 Jan 2013 #13

I would love to use touchscreen but not at that hardware expense. LiberalFighter Jan 2013 #15

On a tablet, yes, on a desktop, only if you like neckstrain. n/t Humanist_Activist Jan 2013 #33

Tablets are okay for office work ... dawg Jan 2013 #22

There may be a CEO job opening up soon in Redmond. You should apply! randome Jan 2013 #23

I think the problem is that most tablets have arm processors, and Windows RT isn't binary... Humanist_Activist Jan 2013 #39

*shrugs* I like it. knitter4democracy Jan 2013 #25

Pretty easy to use, unless you don't have a touchscreen... Humanist_Activist Jan 2013 #32

That was part of why I got one. knitter4democracy Jan 2013 #96

I'll use Win 8 as soon as quinnox Jan 2013 #26

LOL davidpdx Jan 2013 #127

I wonder how much the topic of this thread has to do with this thread: hedgehog Jan 2013 #34

Microsoft is the WORST at abusing the H1B system DainBramaged Jan 2013 #42

I had an old Vista 32 bit computer that I could never get SP2 installed. I upgraded to Windows 8. denverbill Jan 2013 #41

My sister told me today ohheckyeah Jan 2013 #44

She's just not use to it yet. To her crazyjoe Jan 2013 #104

It depends on if her laptop has a touchscreen, if it doesn't, its going to suck to interact with it. Humanist_Activist Jan 2013 #110

I don't think so. ohheckyeah Jan 2013 #175

Buy Windows 7 and install it on her new computer. nt Nay Jan 2013 #217

She doesn't want to spend the money ohheckyeah Jan 2013 #222

What's an OEM Matariki Jan 2013 #49

Good point. randome Jan 2013 #50

Thanks! Matariki Jan 2013 #68

While we're at it, kentauros Jan 2013 #115

Tablet OS. randome Jan 2013 #116

Thanks :) kentauros Jan 2013 #119

Yeah, I can imagine how difficult that would be. randome Jan 2013 #121

Or this: kentauros Jan 2013 #130

Easy. They'll just do away with context menus. Problem solved! randome Jan 2013 #136

Probably get rid of keyboard shortcuts after that, after all its not like you need it with... Humanist_Activist Jan 2013 #137

I wonder how many would start bootlegging Win7 kentauros Jan 2013 #142

Well technically people have been bootlegging Win7 since it was released... Humanist_Activist Jan 2013 #143

Suuuuuuure you don't. kentauros Jan 2013 #189

I paid for my version of Windows 7, over a hundred dollars(Professional edition)... Humanist_Activist Jan 2013 #201

I'll probably buy a copy of Win7 soon, kentauros Jan 2013 #214

NOOOOOO! kentauros Jan 2013 #139

Original Equipment Manufacturer DainBramaged Jan 2013 #54

Thank you! Jane Austin Jan 2013 #99

OEMs? nt Deep13 Jan 2013 #51

Awww...Windows SparklePony is tanking in the marketplace? Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #52

But...it's...it's so colorful. randome Jan 2013 #158

Here on DU, I must be one of the 10 people that like Windows 8. BlueJazz Jan 2013 #53

There's only 3 DainBramaged Jan 2013 #55

You must not use it for much, then. randome Jan 2013 #56

I use it all the time but it took me awhile to learn the shortcuts. I DO use 7 for my.... BlueJazz Jan 2013 #59

Whatever gets the job done is cool. randome Jan 2013 #64

Haha Matariki Jan 2013 #72

Do you use it on your PC or a tablet? Matariki Jan 2013 #71

Just hit the Windows key (which brings up the start screen) and start typing high density Jan 2013 #97

What's different between that and how Windows 7 works, hit the windows key and start typing... Humanist_Activist Jan 2013 #100

I like it MichaelHarris Jan 2013 #79

I built a new computer a few weeks ago and installed Windows 8 high density Jan 2013 #89

I do to. But mostly gates haters here. No logic behind it. Logical Jan 2013 #162

Question, what advantages would I have upgrading from Windows 7 to Windows 8? Humanist_Activist Jan 2013 #165

or people who don't want to waste money on something they don't need. nt Incitatus Jan 2013 #198

Any news as to if they will extend the $15 upgrade offer then? MattBaggins Jan 2013 #57

Buy something useful with the $15 DainBramaged Jan 2013 #61

It's incredibly useful MattBaggins Jan 2013 #66

Why do you have to "fix" it? DainBramaged Jan 2013 #69

You have to fix it MattBaggins Jan 2013 #81

Sounds like Windows 8 is Windows 7 SP2(or is it 3?), but with a stupid IU tacked onto it... Humanist_Activist Jan 2013 #114

VERY difficult to organize the Start Menu. randome Jan 2013 #86

There is a GREAT new app that returns the start menu DainBramaged Jan 2013 #90

Sounds like a good one! randome Jan 2013 #94

Skip metro ui MattBaggins Jan 2013 #152

Gawd, the Win8 Start screen is an angry fruit salad! backscatter712 Jan 2013 #183

I think I'll stick with 7 for the time being derby378 Jan 2013 #60

Microsoft should blame Microsoft for that piece of trash jsr Jan 2013 #62

Meanwhile Acer and Samsung can't keep Chromebooks in stock! FarCenter Jan 2013 #76

Wonder if MichaelHarris Jan 2013 #77

Sold over 60 million licenses in three months krawhitham Jan 2013 #78

Figures may be inflated DainBramaged Jan 2013 #80

Yeah most of those are probably volume licenses MattBaggins Jan 2013 #83

If PC sales dropped 11% last quarter, that means a LOT of licenses aren't sold DainBramaged Jan 2013 #91

As it should MattBaggins Jan 2013 #109

Windows, a virus trap. longship Jan 2013 #82

Virus writers target market share, and Windows has that many times over Linux high density Jan 2013 #101

And Linux has a built-in defense. longship Jan 2013 #113

Virus can be written for ANY OS hobbit709 Jan 2013 #123

True, but it takes a lot more effort to mess up Linux system files... Humanist_Activist Jan 2013 #125

Not all the virus writers are script kiddies. hobbit709 Jan 2013 #126

True, but Windows doesn't have that stark line between system and user that *nix systems... Humanist_Activist Jan 2013 #129

Addict? I use what works. longship Jan 2013 #141

I fix computers for a living so I'm quite well versed in the foibles of Windoze. hobbit709 Jan 2013 #204

made the switch 2 years ago and not looking back flobee1 Jan 2013 #215

Get over what? high density Jan 2013 #132

Well, I guess you have to understand the differences. longship Jan 2013 #153

not true wisechoice Jan 2013 #144

Of course they are going to be more attacked, but the article also mentioned... Humanist_Activist Jan 2013 #155

Huh? longship Jan 2013 #160

same argument for windows. wisechoice Jan 2013 #179

Windows users are targetted because Windows is insecure. longship Jan 2013 #181

each is good in its own ways wisechoice Jan 2013 #193

That's why Windows has virus software protection software (big money there) and Linux doesn't. longship Jan 2013 #197

guess i should have kept scrolling before mouthing off. Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #207

Don't forget all those Android Phones MattBaggins Jan 2013 #156

And Apple's OS is based on Unix, too. longship Jan 2013 #190

One of the things I love about Linux... backscatter712 Jan 2013 #186

Yup! That's what totally open technology gives you. longship Jan 2013 #187

windows can run on smart phones and super computers wisechoice Jan 2013 #195

Why then do so many supercomputers run variants of Linux? longship Jan 2013 #199

Why do so many desktops run windows wisechoice Jan 2013 #221

Actually Windows doesn't scale that well... Humanist_Activist Jan 2013 #202

yep and the next ubuntu will run on both mobile and conventional. Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #208

true market share is a factor but not as big as all that. Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #206

I spent time with Windows 8 last week and think Bill asjr Jan 2013 #93

Give it time, it will catch on. crazyjoe Jan 2013 #95

Really, do you want to reach across a cubicle desk to click on things rather than using a mouse? Humanist_Activist Jan 2013 #102

i don't understand your complaint. wisechoice Jan 2013 #148

But the interface(Metro) isn't designed with the mouse in mind... Humanist_Activist Jan 2013 #150

exact same situation as os x. wisechoice Jan 2013 #176

One minor difference, the search you keep touting is only for metro apps, which are either full... Humanist_Activist Jan 2013 #177

i never mentioned search. wisechoice Jan 2013 #180

Good, now click on settings, does it list all of them that are available, or do you have to... Humanist_Activist Jan 2013 #185

search "control panel" and you will get control panel icon wisechoice Jan 2013 #194

So more effort than is required in Windows 7, and this is a step forward? n/t Humanist_Activist Jan 2013 #200

not necessarily. press windows key and start typing control panel. wisechoice Jan 2013 #218

Please. Two mouse clicks compared to one keyboard press and an unknown number of characters to type? randome Jan 2013 #220

and that worked so well for gnome3 and unity didn't it? Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #209

Mac doesn't have a start button either, BTW crazyjoe Jan 2013 #98

How about it sucks? tabasco Jan 2013 #107

in the last few years.. like less than five.. Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #210

I'll only buy Windows 8 after Service Pack 1 restores the start menu and desktop as default. Humanist_Activist Jan 2013 #118

Actually if someone wanted to do a few tweaks they could have the interface setup so it looked like still_one Jan 2013 #131

I try to avoid third parties, who's support may fall apart, to create vital parts... Humanist_Activist Jan 2013 #133

It is built on top of windows 7 and most of the tweaks you can do, but it is not straight forward still_one Jan 2013 #138

Also, I don't feel like spending money on what is, without the metro interface, is simply... Humanist_Activist Jan 2013 #135

That is true, which is why they are not charging as much as they usually do for the upgrade still_one Jan 2013 #140

All I have to say to Micro$haft is this hobbit709 Jan 2013 #124

Bullshit. They should have given users the option of metro verses desktop with the start button. still_one Jan 2013 #128

What about the flip side. The poor tablet users MattBaggins Jan 2013 #159

Note: That would only be accessible on Windows 8 x86 tablets, Arm tablets(i.e. the majority)... Humanist_Activist Jan 2013 #161

Thank you for that correction MattBaggins Jan 2013 #164

Yeah, it is stupid, I mean, yes different architectures remove binary compatibility... Humanist_Activist Jan 2013 #166

i think it seems that way only because they probably had 2 dev teams and Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #211

Not True. Windows RT has desktop mode wisechoice Jan 2013 #219

But can it run programs that would run in Windows 8 in desktop mode? n/t Humanist_Activist Jan 2013 #226

Can apps running on linux super computers run on my desktop linux wisechoice Jan 2013 #227

Businesses are not going to put up with metro. still_one Jan 2013 #170

Microsoft's biggest error was grafting Metro together with classic Windows. backscatter712 Jan 2013 #188

Touchscreen is great for tablets, but who would want it for a desktop? Bjorn Against Jan 2013 #146

This is what I don't get, a lot of people are talking about this convergence... Humanist_Activist Jan 2013 #149

They have been asleep for 5 years at least MattBaggins Jan 2013 #168

The biggest problem for Microsoft is that there is no such thing as one interface to rule them all. Humanist_Activist Jan 2013 #171

I can't even do that MattBaggins Jan 2013 #173

if windows 8 really was an lcars u.i. i'd be on board. Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #212

Yeah, I'm with you. People don't use tablets or smartphones in the same way as desktops. backscatter712 Jan 2013 #192

That's the Gorilla Arm. backscatter712 Jan 2013 #154

We used a form of that of "exercise" (punishment) in basic training MattBaggins Jan 2013 #172

its a shaolin exercise too. feel the burn! Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #213

This was such a poorly thought out exercise it amazes me they thought it would work DainBramaged Jan 2013 #225

Your hate of Microsoft is almost silly! You make me laugh! n-t Logical Jan 2013 #163

There's plenty to hate with Windows 8. backscatter712 Jan 2013 #191

I spend half my life telling my kids NOT to touch the screen of our desktop PC Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #174

I really, really dislike Windows 8 Smilo Jan 2013 #178

No, Thanks. XP is still working fine for me. Incitatus Jan 2013 #196

Long-time Windows user and tech-support rep here. Bake Jan 2013 #223

I'm neither wed nor in righteous opposition to any OS. LanternWaste Jan 2013 #224

Crazy as this sounds.... Old and In the Way Jan 2013 #229

I'm with you 100% - they created the Angry Fruit Salad. backscatter712 Jan 2013 #230