Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
163. Hyperbole
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 03:59 PM
Jan 2013

There is no way to stop one on one crime

but one can stop multiple mass killings either by gun murderers or by terrorists (though there should be no distinction made between say Tim McVeigh and the CT person
Tim killed 19 kids plus adults, CT person killed 20 kids plus I think 6 others and wounded more in each case.

Cameras can stop that, and can stop any gun in the street from going inside a place people
assemble.

A house is different, because there would be no time to stop a one on one situation.

So that would be hyperbole

Cameras are there to attempt to stop what happeend on 9-11, what happened in London in their subway system, what happened from happening the same way

and if there were new laws about guns on the streets(there are not at the moment, and dealt with both legal and illegal, i.e. any gun) the mass killings could stop with cameras and other methods.

Use the actuary, insurance example of automobiles
A car has a flaw
one person dies and they pay off
ten people, they pay off
100 paid off
some undisclosed number happens, that tips the point from payoff to recall and the recall of all those model cars happens.

Eventually there reaches that limit between one and a thousand or ten thousand or whatever the number is.

If the camera saves one person, it is worth it.(or stops one thing from happening due to the perp not doing what he might have, knowing the camera was there.
Abuses can be dealt with, but its not the camera, it is an individual abusing the camera that would then be the problem

imho feel free to disagree with it.

I would toss them in jail. graham4anything Jan 2013 #1
-1 blkmusclmachine Jan 2013 #3
Hitler would have purely loved him some security cameras Fumesucker Jan 2013 #5
The STASI of East Germany loved any form of surveillance they could dream up. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #61
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm DainBramaged Jan 2013 #10
But who is the brick, and who is the wall? graham4anything Jan 2013 #12
I don't know, but your posts in this thread are making me want to get a closer look to find out Bjorn Against Jan 2013 #47
Not surprising that you're all for the National Surveillance State. MadHound Jan 2013 #19
'dey're like HEETLER!' No surprise from you. nt Union Scribe Jan 2013 #28
Hitler? Seriously? Do you really think Hitler would oppose government surveillance? Bjorn Against Jan 2013 #45
HOw can disabling spy cams lead to mass deaths???? dixiegrrrrl Jan 2013 #46
They are security cameras. They are to stop terrorism and crime graham4anything Jan 2013 #66
How does a camera STOP crime? dixiegrrrrl Jan 2013 #74
By deterrence jberryhill Jan 2013 #104
Cameras don't STOP crime. And Hitler would have LOVED to have them to kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #155
Long live the state right? Puzzledtraveller Jan 2013 #56
I wouldn't toss them in jail. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #60
You're quite the silly little cartoon, aren't you? nt Codeine Jan 2013 #76
You are spectacular proof of how easy it is to game this board whatchamacallit Jan 2013 #85
+ a shitload Systematic Chaos Jan 2013 #110
+ extra cheese chollybocker Jan 2013 #126
Of course you would :) idwiyo Jan 2013 #91
lol fishwax Jan 2013 #125
And I imagine you approve of driving Aaron Swartz to suicide. backscatter712 Jan 2013 #131
I'm pretty sure Hitler would have tossed camera smashers in jail Dead_Parrot Jan 2013 #135
Move to the UK, you'll LOVE it there.. sir pball Jan 2013 #151
One World, under surveillance. blkmusclmachine Jan 2013 #2
Depends on if they get caught or not if I were on a jury they would walk stultusporcos Jan 2013 #4
Would you believe I back Control over Kaos. graham4anything Jan 2013 #6
A national security state is a one way ratchet.. Fumesucker Jan 2013 #8
Please ignore all my posts, I was not talking to you stultusporcos Jan 2013 #9
I don't ignore anybody. Feel free to ignore me. graham4anything Jan 2013 #11
Cameras make you safe DainBramaged Jan 2013 #13
cameras though will show the cops or Paul Blart Zimmermans, were wrong ala Rodney King graham4anything Jan 2013 #14
Johannes Meserle has been out of prison for quite a while for shooting a handcuffed man in the back Fumesucker Jan 2013 #15
without the camera, there might have been zero time. graham4anything Jan 2013 #33
The point is that cops can murder someone on camera and get away with it Fumesucker Jan 2013 #37
Charmin with aloe. They already know I use that. graham4anything Jan 2013 #54
Well, we just had 20 first graders and six teachers slaughtered Fumesucker Jan 2013 #57
Because of a gun and a bullet. We need MORE security and new laws to ban all guns from street graham4anything Jan 2013 #58
Internal passports, that's what we need Fumesucker Jan 2013 #59
in the NY/NJ area there are tolls all over. EZ pass.They already have these things graham4anything Jan 2013 #62
You want more checkpoints and metal detectors? I don't want to live in your America Bjorn Against Jan 2013 #69
gun control don't work because of legal guns. All major mass shootings are legal guns. graham4anything Jan 2013 #70
As I said I support gun control, what I do not support is the mass surveillance you are proposing Bjorn Against Jan 2013 #71
It works in Israel, another democracy that has problems.And it works at airports now. graham4anything Jan 2013 #72
If it is working so well in Israel then I wonder why I hear so much about violence over there Bjorn Against Jan 2013 #73
then even more security is needed graham4anything Jan 2013 #83
I really don't think my friend would agree with you that more security would have saved his cousins Bjorn Against Jan 2013 #84
I don't play gotcha games or setups graham4anything Jan 2013 #87
That was not a gotcha, it was a fact Bjorn Against Jan 2013 #90
Wow... im1013 Jan 2013 #105
Damn EarthWindFire Jan 2013 #127
Why stop with public places? Far too many violent crimes take place inside private homes. kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #161
Hyperbole graham4anything Jan 2013 #163
Love how you are trying to weasel your way out of this. kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #165
I already answered this yesterday graham4anything Jan 2013 #166
"if one is then not doing anything wrong, one has nothing to fear" Union Scribe Jan 2013 #30
There is no amount of state authority too much for this one. X_Digger Jan 2013 #68
You must really hate living in America. You'd be happier in London. kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #158
Your post about how cameras makes us safe probably sounds better in the original German. n/t Ian David Jan 2013 #35
Well said DainBramaged Jan 2013 #40
+1, n/t RKP5637 Jan 2013 #52
Thank you Dr. Suess blueamy66 Jan 2013 #43
Cameras are a waste of money. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #63
I don't think that's how it usually works. randome Jan 2013 #103
They can also be used for other purposes -- to snoop on people for personal reasons. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #168
barbituates help you sleep datasuspect Jan 2013 #101
And people thought I was nuts for my rabid defense of Unions.... DainBramaged Jan 2013 #120
You didn't make the suggestion to me, but I'll be more than happy to take you up on it. Raksha Jan 2013 #118
So how's that RFID chip working out? GoneOffShore Jan 2013 #153
Yep, extreme authoritarian attitude. hobbit709 Jan 2013 #38
Damn test wants you to sign up to get the results. dixiegrrrrl Jan 2013 #48
It wants you to but you don't have to I didn't. hobbit709 Jan 2013 #49
It's all relative as to who is the watched and whom is the watcher ... and the RKP5637 Jan 2013 #53
Do you really believe that by advancing the police state with cameras on all innocent people & DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Jan 2013 #81
Those cameras you are salivating over WILL be used to limit your right to kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #157
One can travel worldwide. The cameras make it safer, and as for freedom graham4anything Jan 2013 #160
Why not both vandalism and protest? Sam1 Jan 2013 #7
"All your images are belong to us." - Cam Corder Berlum Jan 2013 #16
Mayberry was safe, it didn't have any cameras and it only had one bullet. n/t 2on2u Jan 2013 #17
Funny how Republicans love camera's... trumad Jan 2013 #18
Some Dems love em and want to live in a police state too Lesmoderesstupides Jan 2013 #21
I don't know any Democrats who wish for a police state. kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #162
If you're talking Republican government yes they love cameras. If you're talking Republican DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Jan 2013 #86
A beside the point reaction to a false overreaction PATRICK Jan 2013 #20
Doesn't matter, good on them, MadHound Jan 2013 #22
Technically you own the air space above your home Lesmoderesstupides Jan 2013 #24
No, you technically don't, MadHound Jan 2013 #25
GA and Com air have a right of way, just like the power company has Lesmoderesstupides Jan 2013 #27
There are dozens of cases in any decent law library that prove you wrong, MadHound Jan 2013 #29
Do property owners own airspace up to a certain ceiling? Orrex Jan 2013 #31
LOL, yes, firing a gun at a drone is legal. Where the hell did you read that? n-t Logical Jan 2013 #44
I am so mixed when it comes to CCTVs. mwooldri Jan 2013 #23
Many of the red light/speeding cameras are owned by for profit businesses dixiegrrrrl Jan 2013 #50
UK speeding cameras are run by local authorities. mwooldri Jan 2013 #82
The irony is thick Gore1FL Jan 2013 #26
that is the problem behind most modern day protests graham4anything Jan 2013 #34
You've spent a lot of time defending your position and the watcher's position DainBramaged Jan 2013 #77
as #6 said, be seeing you graham4anything Jan 2013 #78
of course, he himself was a spy, which was convient for Drake to forget graham4anything Jan 2013 #79
He was property of US Government flash514c Jan 2013 #124
That is a very good point. n/t Ian David Jan 2013 #36
+1 It's like concealed carry: the presumption that public places are to have the traits that certain patrice Jan 2013 #133
Does anyone see how similar this attitude is to being the Big Brother that it purports to resist? nt patrice Jan 2013 #144
How is that an either/or formulation? Orrex Jan 2013 #32
+1 nt Deep13 Jan 2013 #51
It may be valid protest if the probability of being attacked in that particular place is less coerci patrice Jan 2013 #145
Don't worry... whistler162 Jan 2013 #39
"The cameras can provide facial recognition at distances of up to 600 feet..." Fire Walk With Me Jan 2013 #41
It's a valid protest Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #42
Protests such as this are vital, what you will see and as we already Puzzledtraveller Jan 2013 #55
It's a game, not a protest. randome Jan 2013 #67
Sounds like good fun, as long as you don't get caught. nt bemildred Jan 2013 #64
Criminals. Absence of cameras will make crime like mugging more common geek tragedy Jan 2013 #65
Muggers don't give a shit about cameras, and know where not to look DainBramaged Jan 2013 #75
cameras aren't looking for muggers. they are looking for terrorists and are needed graham4anything Jan 2013 #88
Well here is where my Saturday went.... jberryhill Jan 2013 #96
That is SO PAINFUL to see!! im1013 Jan 2013 #112
Newsflash for you - public places are public jberryhill Jan 2013 #123
Vandalism. Only plays into the hands of those arguing for more surveillance. nt EastKYLiberal Jan 2013 #80
I wish my son's parking lot had a camera jberryhill Jan 2013 #89
Parking lots/garages are one thing whatchamacallit Jan 2013 #92
You know what.. jberryhill Jan 2013 #93
Right... whatchamacallit Jan 2013 #94
Why should that matter? randome Jan 2013 #95
Where does it end? whatchamacallit Jan 2013 #97
Have you ever asked yourself about the "natural condition" of human society jberryhill Jan 2013 #99
I'm not sure what you're getting at whatchamacallit Jan 2013 #107
Maybe it ends just before we get to those things you list. randome Jan 2013 #100
I believe CCTV has already whatchamacallit Jan 2013 #109
If you encourage hm to blather on about the goodness of full-time invasion of privacy DainBramaged Jan 2013 #129
+100 im1013 Jan 2013 #113
How is having them on subways different than parking lots? Gore1FL Jan 2013 #121
The problem is that cameras that catch terrists can also be used to catch political opponents. bemildred Jan 2013 #98
There are FAR more political opponents than terrorists, so we all get ONE guess kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #164
Vandalism. kiva Jan 2013 #102
Tear every god damned one of them down and praise the heros who do it, because its no game 1-Old-Man Jan 2013 #106
I'm sure many women will feel safer walking out to a darkened parking lot. randome Jan 2013 #108
Looper whatchamacallit Jan 2013 #111
But who is to say which places are 'safe' without cameras? randome Jan 2013 #114
Well whatchamacallit Jan 2013 #116
I agree we should never be complaiscent. randome Jan 2013 #117
+1,000,000!! im1013 Jan 2013 #115
That must be one huge monitoring center Chico Man Jan 2013 #139
Wait till the Monday crowd shows up DainBramaged Jan 2013 #119
its vandalism Takket Jan 2013 #122
It's possible this is more about bragging rights than it is about a remedy for the problem of patrice Jan 2013 #128
It's civil disobedience. Of course it's illegal, and property destruction. Do it anyways. backscatter712 Jan 2013 #130
Please. No one is watching your every move Chico Man Jan 2013 #132
Delusional my ass. backscatter712 Jan 2013 #134
Yes they save the footage Chico Man Jan 2013 #136
Right, so you're fine with the feds having your entire life on video... backscatter712 Jan 2013 #149
The Feds don't have my entire life on video Chico Man Jan 2013 #150
Visit London cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #138
They have cameras Chico Man Jan 2013 #140
As a preteen I asked the question, "Could it ever happen here?" 20score Jan 2013 #137
Ideology over reality: ALL cameras are instances of hyper-surveillance, hurts the case for patrice Jan 2013 #141
Other then the spray painting I'm ok with it. Arctic Dave Jan 2013 #142
What would be really impressive Chico Man Jan 2013 #143
Whatever gets the job done works for me. TheKentuckian Jan 2013 #146
A two edged sword catchnrelease Jan 2013 #147
1984 DainBramaged Jan 2013 #148
Agree 100%. Also love the Brit habit of destroying speed cameras Taverner Jan 2013 #152
Oh noes! abelenkpe Jan 2013 #154
It's kind of sad that they do self-surveillance by posting the videos. JVS Jan 2013 #156
If we as a nation are resigned to allowing 310+ million guns ecstatic Jan 2013 #159
I'm much more concerned with the neighborhood resident.. LanternWaste Jan 2013 #167
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Game to destroy CCTV came...»Reply #163