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Duckhunter935

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79. kind of points out

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 01:06 PM

Jan 2013

how stupid the new AWB is does it not. Also an AR-15 chambered in the smallest round available that is not much larger than a BB pellet would be banned because of its looks.

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"Assault weapons bans do not work" [View all] Bandit Jan 2013 OP

Exactly etherealtruth Jan 2013 #1

Some of us dislike passing pointless laws, particularly if there's a political cost Recursion Jan 2013 #30

I would like to give these laws a chance ... etherealtruth Jan 2013 #37

some of us are in 2013, and some are stuck in 1994, more lke it farminator3000 Jan 2013 #42

If I thought it would save one life, I would support it Recursion Jan 2013 #45

well it certainly will farminator3000 Jan 2013 #61

How will it save a life? Recursion Jan 2013 #63

Is the shaped grip the whole ban? AgingAmerican Jan 2013 #66

There are a list of features it bans, the grip being the most commonly found one Recursion Jan 2013 #70

i know you aren't clueless, so stop pretending to be farminator3000 Jan 2013 #81

That would be a good law I could support. That's not what we have before us. Recursion Jan 2013 #84

ya gotta read the stuff, brah! farminator3000 Jan 2013 #129

Who is saying that is all law should do? We could re-define assault weapons as Hoyt Jan 2013 #78

so now you would ban Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #80

Ah, made you pucker. Why not ban semi-autos, including handguns? Hoyt Jan 2013 #91

Most in gun culture have shooting people on their mind? nick of time Jan 2013 #97

you are unfamiliar with the self-defense argument? farminator3000 Jan 2013 #144

You tell me why yahoos were lined up to buy "assault" weapons right after Sandy Hook. Hoyt Jan 2013 #147

We could! Maybe we even should. Write Senator Feinstein. Recursion Jan 2013 #86

The AWB ain't gonna pass. nick of time Jan 2013 #92

Here's my problem with it madville Jan 2013 #2

Their base turns out in droves every single election Bandit Jan 2013 #3

So the life of one person isn't worth the loss of mid-terms? DainBramaged Jan 2013 #4

How does regulating rifles' grip shape save lives? Recursion Jan 2013 #6

It's amazing how DU has become the defender of the gun..... DainBramaged Jan 2013 #9

Can you please answer my question? Recursion Jan 2013 #12

Do you not understand the words "have a nice day"? DainBramaged Jan 2013 #46

LOL cherokeeprogressive Jan 2013 #108

How does doing nothing save lives? AgingAmerican Jan 2013 #55

It doesn't. But doing something pointless isn't any better Recursion Jan 2013 #59

Tell that to the parents AgingAmerican Jan 2013 #68

Would they agree with you that the rifle needed a different grip to be legal? Recursion Jan 2013 #71

You are really stuck on the 'grip' thing AgingAmerican Jan 2013 #96

You're the one advocating the law Recursion Jan 2013 #103

I don't think the military use grips because they like the way they look AgingAmerican Jan 2013 #107

The grips deter hip shooting and reduce drops and slips Recursion Jan 2013 #109

Yes, we wouldn't want the mass shooters to drop their assault rifles AgingAmerican Jan 2013 #110

Hmmmmm... AgingAmerican Jan 2013 #143

that is a foolish question farminator3000 Jan 2013 #58

The grip is the one banned feature most rifles still have Recursion Jan 2013 #62

I've been curious about this...just exactly how will Bushmaster et. al. change the grip on an AR jmg257 Jan 2013 #77

In the short term, modify the lower receiver to make the grip curved and lower the butt stock Recursion Jan 2013 #83

just use a traditional Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #88

Can you do that on an AR? I guess if one gets creative enough. jmg257 Jan 2013 #105

Sure, as long as it's not a bullpup action everything's forward and above the grip anyways. Recursion Jan 2013 #139

great. and the grip is for shooting from the hip. so that's what its about... farminator3000 Jan 2013 #89

You have that backwards. It's basically impossible to hip shoot with a pistol grip Recursion Jan 2013 #90

i personally don't give a crap, but here is a gun forum post farminator3000 Jan 2013 #131

most all rifles Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #134

do you really think i give a flying crap? traditional hunting rifles don't have pistol grips farminator3000 Jan 2013 #138

Shoot from the hip? nick of time Jan 2013 #99

you should watch Hot Shots Part Deux farminator3000 Jan 2013 #132

I have a Rambo fetish? nick of time Jan 2013 #137

You answered your own question AgingAmerican Jan 2013 #120

That's where I said the grip you want to ban is safer Recursion Jan 2013 #122

I thought it was cosmetic? AgingAmerican Jan 2013 #125

Mostly. The safety increase is marginal (nt) Recursion Jan 2013 #130

"If anything, we should be mandating them rather than banning them" AgingAmerican Jan 2013 #140

They're marginally safer, so mandating makes more sense than banning Recursion Jan 2013 #142

I try to endure.... FarPoint Jan 2013 #73

You conveniently left out the rest AgingAmerican Jan 2013 #65

There are similar arguments to be made for the shotguns, and I support the magazine limit Recursion Jan 2013 #67

You call the law "pointless" AgingAmerican Jan 2013 #69

The part that is the actual ban of assault weapons is Recursion Jan 2013 #72

Maybe we should also ban alchol, and high fat foods. Travis_0004 Jan 2013 #35

RKBA, how did I guess? DainBramaged Jan 2013 #39

I'm just trying to see where you stand. Travis_0004 Jan 2013 #60

It's obvious one life doesn't matter to you or the NRA DainBramaged Jan 2013 #112

Possibly not. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #50

Most of the country wants a ban AgingAmerican Jan 2013 #146

Pointless laws are generally bad ideas Recursion Jan 2013 #5

For example CT has an AWB and Lanza's rifle was apparently compliant aikoaiko Jan 2013 #7

Exactly. n/t xoom Jan 2013 #118

Then here's a really simple explanation. Daemonaquila Jan 2013 #8

If it doesn't work, then why do it? krispos42 Jan 2013 #10

The real hystericals are the RobertEarl Jan 2013 #13

Well I have seen quite a few Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #16

Face it RobertEarl Jan 2013 #21

Then ban semi-automatics. That's a decent idea. It's also not remotely what the AWB does. Recursion Jan 2013 #22

Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #26

And that's the problem. Can you at least try to read what I'm saying? Recursion Jan 2013 #28

Right RobertEarl Jan 2013 #31

I would support banning semi-automatics with detachable magazines Recursion Jan 2013 #40

That is one minor provision of the legislation AgingAmerican Jan 2013 #98

That's the one part relevant to Newtown Recursion Jan 2013 #102

You are being swarmed by the gunnies, enjoy the wave DainBramaged Jan 2013 #44

Yeah, swarmed RobertEarl Jan 2013 #48

Tell me, how many f those few are actual members of nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #64

Grayson's position on guns surprised me Recursion Jan 2013 #74

There are no solutions to problems like Sandy Hook krispos42 Jan 2013 #38

Fuck there isn't a solution RobertEarl Jan 2013 #41

so you propose Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #57

Whats's the problem? Spryguy Jan 2013 #75

You support summary execution of people who disagree with a ban? nick of time Jan 2013 #85

I never said summary execution. Spryguy Jan 2013 #111

Point out where I said I would fight such a law. nick of time Jan 2013 #113

My apologies. Spryguy Jan 2013 #116

No problem. nick of time Jan 2013 #117

Nobody will go house to house to take guns away nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #93

+1000 nick of time Jan 2013 #100

The AWB is needed, but guns already out there will be nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #101

Hi. i'm going to snap. krispos42 Jan 2013 #121

In this case, "Do not work" means they have a negligible effect on violent crime and murder rates Taitertots Jan 2013 #11

So, what is the answer then? RobertEarl Jan 2013 #15

You know that the AWB doesn't limit access to weapons of mass bullet spraying, right? Recursion Jan 2013 #17

Any sell of such a weapon needs to be restricted RobertEarl Jan 2013 #23

When some legislator proposes that, I'll listen. That's not what this does. Recursion Jan 2013 #27

whether it works is an important question Enrique Jan 2013 #14

Thanks to Harry we'll never know. leeroysphitz Jan 2013 #18

There's no downside, and there is plenty of real upside. gulliver Jan 2013 #19

What? The market for new assault weapons will be huge Recursion Jan 2013 #20

The key is making possession itself illegal gulliver Jan 2013 #24

If that were the proposal I would consider it. It's not. Recursion Jan 2013 #25

That's why I favor the one-two punch. gulliver Jan 2013 #33

Hmm Benton D Struckcheon Jan 2013 #34

The idea is that people don't understand the law or the weapons it regulates Recursion Jan 2013 #47

So, how's about.... Benton D Struckcheon Jan 2013 #133

Background checks have the best chance and would do the most good, IMO Recursion Jan 2013 #136

No it would not. Crepuscular Jan 2013 #36

What about the magazine? gulliver Jan 2013 #51

That's the thing with detachable magazines. They aren't a part of the weapon Recursion Jan 2013 #53

The magazine pictured Crepuscular Jan 2013 #76

If we aren't able to ban mere possession... gulliver Jan 2013 #82

I think you'll find a lot less resistance to magazine size limits Recursion Jan 2013 #87

Why the need for loopholes? Crepuscular Jan 2013 #94

kind of points out Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #79

Your "logic" is not going to make any ground with a gun freak. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #29

Who's to say it doesn't work? Perhaps it is currently preventing even MORE mass shootings. JaneyVee Jan 2013 #32

How would we know? yardwork Jan 2013 #43

Because we did this in 1994 Recursion Jan 2013 #49

Sounds like a very minor, weak effort that was doomed to fail. yardwork Jan 2013 #54

And we're repeating it Recursion Jan 2013 #56

and my head is hurting Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #135

Statement of faith based on a sample size of one is unconvincing. bluedigger Jan 2013 #52

The statistics tell a different story nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #95

What statistics? N/t Heimer Jan 2013 #114

This is THE problem...gunners & their lobby WILL NOT let you pass effective bans. jmg257 Jan 2013 #104

many have already have said how to work this Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #119

And YOU would be OK with such a ban? On all repeating arms that take a detachable magazine jmg257 Jan 2013 #124

not my first choice Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #127

Handguns included, and police as the grace period expires, at the least jmg257 Jan 2013 #128

An AWB is easy peachy nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #126

*sigh* zappaman Jan 2013 #148

A law that does no good legaleagle_45 Jan 2013 #106

Simple solution. Make the laws stronger and give them something to get their diapers in a knot. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2013 #115

The war on drugs does not work DesMoinesDem Jan 2013 #123

They don't work as intended, meaning they don't solve the problem of gun misuse. Jester Messiah Jan 2013 #141

They don't work (at reducing crime/homicide rate) is what I think they mean. OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #145