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Fumesucker

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16. Still well beyond the margin of victory in the last election

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Fri Jan 25, 2013, 08:19 AM

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Penalty could keep smokers out of health overhaul [View all] Live and Learn Jan 2013 OP

Will heavy drinkers and the extremely obese have similar penalties? Mutiny In Heaven Jan 2013 #1

That was my first thought too. Seems a very slippery slope to me. Live and Learn Jan 2013 #3

If not, they should. AngryOldDem Jan 2013 #7

How about when they start charging big premiums for something you do? Live and Learn Jan 2013 #8

If they are going to single out one group of people, then others should be fair game as well. AngryOldDem Jan 2013 #9

My father (a smoker) beat you as far as costs are concerned. Live and Learn Jan 2013 #10

I could be wrong, but I didn't read AOD's post as Mutiny In Heaven Jan 2013 #11

Guess I am just against all of them. People will Live and Learn Jan 2013 #12

Thank you! AngryOldDem Jan 2013 #31

My grandfather died of lung cancer at age 60 madville Jan 2013 #15

That is true. But so does obesity, so does Mutiny In Heaven Jan 2013 #19

WTF? How am I responsible for that, exactly? AngryOldDem Jan 2013 #32

It seems pricing people out of a means of quitting Mojorabbit Jan 2013 #26

I totally agree. AngryOldDem Jan 2013 #33

Actually, a lot of plans DO cover quitting programs nobodyspecial Jan 2013 #34

But will it matter if they raise the prices so high that the smokers can't afford those policies? Mojorabbit Jan 2013 #39

I think they should charge poor people more because they are the 'sickest' segment of society, HiPointDem Jan 2013 #40

A 5'9 350 lb. man who smokes drops dead..... RagAss Jan 2013 #30

You know how they get those numbers? If you have a smoking history & die of any disease HiPointDem Jan 2013 #41

You're absolutely right about the idiocy of what gets called Mariana Jan 2013 #55

Buh bye smoker voters Fumesucker Jan 2013 #2

Wouldn't that depend upon who put initiated the the penalty? Live and Learn Jan 2013 #4

You are expecting sophistication from American voters? Fumesucker Jan 2013 #5

I'd agree with you but they came through the last 2 presidential elections Live and Learn Jan 2013 #6

the Dems did that all on their own TorchTheWitch Jan 2013 #54

Smokers are an ever decreasing proportion of the population Freddie Stubbs Jan 2013 #14

Still well beyond the margin of victory in the last election Fumesucker Jan 2013 #16

Smokers tend to be less educated, more poor Freddie Stubbs Jan 2013 #17

Oh, I wouldn't worry about that Fumesucker Jan 2013 #18

You mean like this guy? kenny blankenship Jan 2013 #21

He actually signed the bill into law Freddie Stubbs Jan 2013 #24

Less educated and more poor? Lot of rich people smoke. The president IS one of them. DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Jan 2013 #35

I said, 'tend to,' which is a statistical tendency unmitigated by the fact that some rich people HiPointDem Jan 2013 #45

. green for victory Jan 2013 #46

yes; 67% of american men smoked circa 1950 -- today only 23%. For women, the 60s was the peak, HiPointDem Jan 2013 #42

more Doctors smoked then but they made house calls green for victory Jan 2013 #50

Is that anything really new? madville Jan 2013 #13

and why should i have to pay higher rates for children with autism or adults with depression or HiPointDem Jan 2013 #47

Meanwhile the French continue to smoke like chimneys, drink all day, eat butter in everything kenny blankenship Jan 2013 #20

The Japanese are heavy smokers too Mutiny In Heaven Jan 2013 #22

Maybe access to care as a right is far more important than whether a country smokes kenny blankenship Jan 2013 #28

Bingo. And they aren't going to stop with the smokers. Next will be the obese, then the drinkers, DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Jan 2013 #36

nailed +320 million/8 billion green for victory Jan 2013 #51

THANK YOU! The absolute class-marked nature of this bullshit can also be demonstrated HiPointDem Jan 2013 #44

and the japanese binge frequently and wind up face down in the gutter or barfing on the trains HiPointDem Jan 2013 #48

The Japanese have cut down a LOT on smoking recently Art_from_Ark Jan 2013 #52

ditto the japanese. HiPointDem Jan 2013 #43

Have you priced individual insurance as a smoker lately? Recursion Jan 2013 #23

In this thread: Reactionary smokers point their fingers at fat people. nt EastKYLiberal Jan 2013 #25

They should smoke themselves thin then Capt. Obvious Jan 2013 #27

What about people whose ass drags across the floor? RagAss Jan 2013 #29

Well, they aren't to blame ohheckyeah Jan 2013 #37

This is why folks are dubious of government efforts like this TheKentuckian Jan 2013 #38

"playing to comfortable suburbanites" = indeed. HiPointDem Jan 2013 #49

If it's a "pre-existing condition" riverwalker Jan 2013 #53