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wisechoice

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77. And Gene IV is not supposed to show up in GMOs

Reply to AtheistCrusader (Reply #74)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 02:34 PM

Jan 2013

I think that is the issue here.

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Regulators Discover a Hidden Viral Gene in Commercial GMO Crops - January 21, 2013 [View all] farminator3000 Jan 2013 OP

Fuckers. nt NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #1

Well I was going to say a whole bunch of words... Kalidurga Jan 2013 #2

+1 kickysnana Jan 2013 #3

I was wondering how long it would be for 2naSalit Jan 2013 #4

Buy heirloom seed littlemissmartypants Jan 2013 #19

Thanks for the links 2naSalit Jan 2013 #33

The US will not find it though KT2000 Jan 2013 #5

22 years wrong. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #12

that makes a lot of sense, thanks for the input! farminator3000 Jan 2013 #27

It's just hilariously bad reporting. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #32

it isn't reporting, it's a scientific analysis farminator3000 Jan 2013 #45

Bullshit it is. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #51

still waiting for you to post anything non-BS related farminator3000 Jan 2013 #62

You are relying on a study that doesn't say what the media just reported it as saying. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #66

Ball to you...and the Mutant Corporate-Scientific Complex Berlum Jan 2013 #120

are you trying to confuse CaMV 35S with Gene IV? wisechoice Jan 2013 #72

Gene IV is a subcomponent of CaMV 35S. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #74

And Gene IV is not supposed to show up in GMOs wisechoice Jan 2013 #77

It would be bad if the protein Gene IV produces shows up. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #81

the European Food Safety Authority (EFSA) has belatedly discovered wisechoice Jan 2013 #84

This research paper explicitly looked for that. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #85

The "bad" research is done by corporately-funded 'scientists" Berlum Jan 2013 #119

Absolutely! KT2000 Jan 2013 #122

My God, the evil of the corporations AllyCat Jan 2013 #6

If they or their family members get sick.. butterfly77 Jan 2013 #116

The day chemistry sets were deemed unsafe for children littlemissmartypants Jan 2013 #7

K&R n/t DeSwiss Jan 2013 #8

... SunSeeker Jan 2013 #9

Evil. grahamhgreen Jan 2013 #10

OH MY GOD NO ONE KNEW AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #11

Could someone explain in more-tedious detail for the GMO-curious? snot Jan 2013 #13

I'm trying to figure out what the deal is with this 'independent science news' group... AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #14

why don't you tell us about YOUR deal? farminator3000 Jan 2013 #29

try clicking 'about' on their homepage for starters, they seem to be mentioning you... farminator3000 Jan 2013 #31

Here's a great take-down of the scaremongering this paper triggered in the media. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #15

Love it. eom littlemissmartypants Jan 2013 #20

Excellent work. n/t X_Digger Jan 2013 #24

here's another paper connected with your lone freelance journalist farminator3000 Jan 2013 #30

Yep. Sadly, we're behind the curve still, and that translates into lost jobs. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #41

no, you are wrong, that take down is of a LINK from the OP article, not a takedown of the OP farminator3000 Jan 2013 #34

"Might" AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #40

'might' applies as much or more to the 'idea' that they are safe. show scientific evidence of safety farminator3000 Jan 2013 #48

Recall that we are talking about a virus that infects plants anyway. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #53

recall that OXFORD UNIVERSITY disagrees with you farminator3000 Jan 2013 #61

I'm quite aware those genes can be interchangeable. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #68

also here- farminator3000 Jan 2013 #76

I'm well aware of horizontal and vertical gene transfer. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #79

Science has not concluded. wisechoice Jan 2013 #82

That wasn't the full conclusion. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #83

That was not the conclusion wisechoice Jan 2013 #86

They didn't find the protein in the plants. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #87

But do we know what will cause it to express? wisechoice Jan 2013 #88

It should be looked for in all plants that include it. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #89

And this is why we need to be more cautious wisechoice Jan 2013 #90

by a guy who works for a company that publishes an animal testing supplies mag farminator3000 Jan 2013 #108

Yawn. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #113

if that's all you have, i'm really sorry for you. farminator3000 Jan 2013 #114

.. im1013 Jan 2013 #17

Monsanto won't serve their own modified shit in their own 2pooped2pop Jan 2013 #21

here's a good start- it's a complex issue, not resolvable by unfounded opinions farminator3000 Jan 2013 #63

and nobody knows yet, that is the whole point. the 'safety' research is good and all other is bad? farminator3000 Jan 2013 #28

By 'promote' it means to enable the modified payload. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #35

so you are a scientist? farminator3000 Jan 2013 #46

I have made no statements that require any such argument from credential. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #50

you have made a completely false statement here, for instance farminator3000 Jan 2013 #106

I don't think you caught onto my line of logic. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #107

perhaps it is invisible-is planting millions of acres of crap that nobody wants or needs progress? farminator3000 Jan 2013 #109

#48 farminator3000 Jan 2013 #49

Yes, I receive compensation. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #54

i'm an actual farmer, slappy. i grow 250 acres of plants, so easy with your garden hose, there farminator3000 Jan 2013 #58

It's not questionable to me. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #64

you should really read more, then. or better. UNLEASH THE SHIVA!!! farminator3000 Jan 2013 #69

Oh look, a wall of text that has nothing to do with this issue. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #73

also check #76- i think you meant 'that proves me wrong so i won't read it' farminator3000 Jan 2013 #78

Your sphagetti links and references are no hinderance to me. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #80

how can they hinder you if you don't read them? stop OBFUSCATING please farminator3000 Jan 2013 #91

I'm not obfuscating. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #93

funny how you ignore that part where i totally blow up your argument and then post nonsense farminator3000 Jan 2013 #99

I'm constraining it to one issue at a time, because you keep spinning off in random directions. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #100

great, ignore most of what i post and again with the nonsense farminator3000 Jan 2013 #102

Anyone reading my post can see I responded to you point by point. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #103

you responded by typing some nonsense. still waiting for some info, here farminator3000 Jan 2013 #104

As I said upthread AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #112

the virus 'in the flora' is natural. the virus injected into the DNA is COMPLETELY different farminator3000 Jan 2013 #115

It isn't totally untested. You keep saying that as if it's true, it isn't. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #117

3 months of testing by monsanto. total BS farminator3000 Jan 2013 #118

why won't big M make their studies public? oh, right, they ALSO prove GMOs are bad... farminator3000 Jan 2013 #126

Aren't we overdue for another giant bug movie? Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2013 #16

Hell yes littlemissmartypants Jan 2013 #18

I thought the bugs have to eat us. LisaLynne Jan 2013 #22

No,...that's trolls. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2013 #47

I was thinking the other way around... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2013 #36

"I am a bit numb and distrustful of anything that doesn’t clearly and concisely link back to sources Coyotl Jan 2013 #23

where did you find that? farminator3000 Jan 2013 #37

In a comment online Coyotl Jan 2013 #92

Does Monsanto have any agreements with Pharma? Myrina Jan 2013 #25

you might want two or three helmets! short answer- they will farminator3000 Jan 2013 #43

more anti-science woo.... mike_c Jan 2013 #26

go away. really. or post a fact. farminator3000 Jan 2013 #38

you are woo farminator3000 Jan 2013 #39

When different types of liberals collide... AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #42

there is absolutely nothing 'liberal' about defending GMOs farminator3000 Jan 2013 #59

I don't see any political overlap to it at all. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #65

there are extremists on both sides, i'll give you that farminator3000 Jan 2013 #71

You seem to be very interested in defending GMOs wisechoice Jan 2013 #56

Monsanto stock . . . another_liberal Jan 2013 #57

yeah, right.... mike_c Jan 2013 #94

It is not unfounded fear wisechoice Jan 2013 #96

Good for you . . . another_liberal Jan 2013 #97

How about those tumors . . . another_liberal Jan 2013 #60

You are mixing issues. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #67

Good point. another_liberal Jan 2013 #70

It's not easy to digest. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #75

that was a flawed study, thoroughly discredited in the larger scientific community... mike_c Jan 2013 #95

You should not attack . . . another_liberal Jan 2013 #98

Discovery in plant virus may help prevent HIV and similar viruses Go Vols Jan 2013 #44

'may help'. great. what about 'may cause'? farminator3000 Jan 2013 #52

Is it necessary . . . another_liberal Jan 2013 #55

Call me old fashioned, but I like the older stuff. I'm tired of dead food, flowers without fragrance freshwest Jan 2013 #101

try this farminator3000 Jan 2013 #105

"Monsanto’s trials that showed no ill effects lasted just three months." farminator3000 Jan 2013 #110

GMOs will, in the end, prove to be a massive arrogant mistake Berlum Jan 2013 #111

Horrible, horrible science journalism. Evoman Jan 2013 #121

i'm more worried about the info than the 'quality' of writing farminator3000 Jan 2013 #123

"Genetic Roulette" will be shown on Free Speech TV on Saturday 1-25 and Sunday 1-27 DearHeart Jan 2013 #124

"There is a hollow democratic deficit here, is there not? . . ." the cover up story. good one. farminator3000 Jan 2013 #125

MonSatan ....... MindMover Apr 2013 #127