General Discussion

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)

40. "Might"

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 01:08 PM

Jan 2013

In theory. On a computer. No such evidence is found in the actual plants in the field, trials, etc. For almost 30 years.

"It should also be noted that this promoter [has] an ORF overlaps with Gene VI but that no functional gene is present. So in most cases this gene fragment will not lead to the production of a protein."

So far it has only been shown to do what it is supposed to do, and has not produced any known toxin or allergen, or any problem at all, and even if it were present, humans can digest it just fine anyway, have been for probably as long as humans have been eating cauliflower.

Peas share one of three human hemoglobin genes, that doesn't make eating peas cannibalism.

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

127 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

Regulators Discover a Hidden Viral Gene in Commercial GMO Crops - January 21, 2013 [View all] farminator3000 Jan 2013 OP

Fuckers. nt NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #1

Well I was going to say a whole bunch of words... Kalidurga Jan 2013 #2

+1 kickysnana Jan 2013 #3

I was wondering how long it would be for 2naSalit Jan 2013 #4

Buy heirloom seed littlemissmartypants Jan 2013 #19

Thanks for the links 2naSalit Jan 2013 #33

The US will not find it though KT2000 Jan 2013 #5

22 years wrong. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #12

that makes a lot of sense, thanks for the input! farminator3000 Jan 2013 #27

It's just hilariously bad reporting. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #32

it isn't reporting, it's a scientific analysis farminator3000 Jan 2013 #45

Bullshit it is. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #51

still waiting for you to post anything non-BS related farminator3000 Jan 2013 #62

You are relying on a study that doesn't say what the media just reported it as saying. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #66

Ball to you...and the Mutant Corporate-Scientific Complex Berlum Jan 2013 #120

are you trying to confuse CaMV 35S with Gene IV? wisechoice Jan 2013 #72

Gene IV is a subcomponent of CaMV 35S. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #74

And Gene IV is not supposed to show up in GMOs wisechoice Jan 2013 #77

It would be bad if the protein Gene IV produces shows up. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #81

the European Food Safety Authority (EFSA) has belatedly discovered wisechoice Jan 2013 #84

This research paper explicitly looked for that. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #85

The "bad" research is done by corporately-funded 'scientists" Berlum Jan 2013 #119

Absolutely! KT2000 Jan 2013 #122

My God, the evil of the corporations AllyCat Jan 2013 #6

If they or their family members get sick.. butterfly77 Jan 2013 #116

The day chemistry sets were deemed unsafe for children littlemissmartypants Jan 2013 #7

K&R n/t DeSwiss Jan 2013 #8

... SunSeeker Jan 2013 #9

Evil. grahamhgreen Jan 2013 #10

OH MY GOD NO ONE KNEW AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #11

Could someone explain in more-tedious detail for the GMO-curious? snot Jan 2013 #13

I'm trying to figure out what the deal is with this 'independent science news' group... AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #14

why don't you tell us about YOUR deal? farminator3000 Jan 2013 #29

try clicking 'about' on their homepage for starters, they seem to be mentioning you... farminator3000 Jan 2013 #31

Here's a great take-down of the scaremongering this paper triggered in the media. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #15

Love it. eom littlemissmartypants Jan 2013 #20

Excellent work. n/t X_Digger Jan 2013 #24

here's another paper connected with your lone freelance journalist farminator3000 Jan 2013 #30

Yep. Sadly, we're behind the curve still, and that translates into lost jobs. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #41

no, you are wrong, that take down is of a LINK from the OP article, not a takedown of the OP farminator3000 Jan 2013 #34

"Might" AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #40

'might' applies as much or more to the 'idea' that they are safe. show scientific evidence of safety farminator3000 Jan 2013 #48

Recall that we are talking about a virus that infects plants anyway. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #53

recall that OXFORD UNIVERSITY disagrees with you farminator3000 Jan 2013 #61

I'm quite aware those genes can be interchangeable. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #68

also here- farminator3000 Jan 2013 #76

I'm well aware of horizontal and vertical gene transfer. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #79

Science has not concluded. wisechoice Jan 2013 #82

That wasn't the full conclusion. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #83

That was not the conclusion wisechoice Jan 2013 #86

They didn't find the protein in the plants. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #87

But do we know what will cause it to express? wisechoice Jan 2013 #88

It should be looked for in all plants that include it. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #89

And this is why we need to be more cautious wisechoice Jan 2013 #90

by a guy who works for a company that publishes an animal testing supplies mag farminator3000 Jan 2013 #108

Yawn. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #113

if that's all you have, i'm really sorry for you. farminator3000 Jan 2013 #114

.. im1013 Jan 2013 #17

Monsanto won't serve their own modified shit in their own 2pooped2pop Jan 2013 #21

here's a good start- it's a complex issue, not resolvable by unfounded opinions farminator3000 Jan 2013 #63

and nobody knows yet, that is the whole point. the 'safety' research is good and all other is bad? farminator3000 Jan 2013 #28

By 'promote' it means to enable the modified payload. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #35

so you are a scientist? farminator3000 Jan 2013 #46

I have made no statements that require any such argument from credential. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #50

you have made a completely false statement here, for instance farminator3000 Jan 2013 #106

I don't think you caught onto my line of logic. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #107

perhaps it is invisible-is planting millions of acres of crap that nobody wants or needs progress? farminator3000 Jan 2013 #109

#48 farminator3000 Jan 2013 #49

Yes, I receive compensation. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #54

i'm an actual farmer, slappy. i grow 250 acres of plants, so easy with your garden hose, there farminator3000 Jan 2013 #58

It's not questionable to me. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #64

you should really read more, then. or better. UNLEASH THE SHIVA!!! farminator3000 Jan 2013 #69

Oh look, a wall of text that has nothing to do with this issue. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #73

also check #76- i think you meant 'that proves me wrong so i won't read it' farminator3000 Jan 2013 #78

Your sphagetti links and references are no hinderance to me. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #80

how can they hinder you if you don't read them? stop OBFUSCATING please farminator3000 Jan 2013 #91

I'm not obfuscating. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #93

funny how you ignore that part where i totally blow up your argument and then post nonsense farminator3000 Jan 2013 #99

I'm constraining it to one issue at a time, because you keep spinning off in random directions. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #100

great, ignore most of what i post and again with the nonsense farminator3000 Jan 2013 #102

Anyone reading my post can see I responded to you point by point. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #103

you responded by typing some nonsense. still waiting for some info, here farminator3000 Jan 2013 #104

As I said upthread AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #112

the virus 'in the flora' is natural. the virus injected into the DNA is COMPLETELY different farminator3000 Jan 2013 #115

It isn't totally untested. You keep saying that as if it's true, it isn't. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #117

3 months of testing by monsanto. total BS farminator3000 Jan 2013 #118

why won't big M make their studies public? oh, right, they ALSO prove GMOs are bad... farminator3000 Jan 2013 #126

Aren't we overdue for another giant bug movie? Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2013 #16

Hell yes littlemissmartypants Jan 2013 #18

I thought the bugs have to eat us. LisaLynne Jan 2013 #22

No,...that's trolls. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2013 #47

I was thinking the other way around... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2013 #36

"I am a bit numb and distrustful of anything that doesn’t clearly and concisely link back to sources Coyotl Jan 2013 #23

where did you find that? farminator3000 Jan 2013 #37

In a comment online Coyotl Jan 2013 #92

Does Monsanto have any agreements with Pharma? Myrina Jan 2013 #25

you might want two or three helmets! short answer- they will farminator3000 Jan 2013 #43

more anti-science woo.... mike_c Jan 2013 #26

go away. really. or post a fact. farminator3000 Jan 2013 #38

you are woo farminator3000 Jan 2013 #39

When different types of liberals collide... AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #42

there is absolutely nothing 'liberal' about defending GMOs farminator3000 Jan 2013 #59

I don't see any political overlap to it at all. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #65

there are extremists on both sides, i'll give you that farminator3000 Jan 2013 #71

You seem to be very interested in defending GMOs wisechoice Jan 2013 #56

Monsanto stock . . . another_liberal Jan 2013 #57

yeah, right.... mike_c Jan 2013 #94

It is not unfounded fear wisechoice Jan 2013 #96

Good for you . . . another_liberal Jan 2013 #97

How about those tumors . . . another_liberal Jan 2013 #60

You are mixing issues. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #67

Good point. another_liberal Jan 2013 #70

It's not easy to digest. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #75

that was a flawed study, thoroughly discredited in the larger scientific community... mike_c Jan 2013 #95

You should not attack . . . another_liberal Jan 2013 #98

Discovery in plant virus may help prevent HIV and similar viruses Go Vols Jan 2013 #44

'may help'. great. what about 'may cause'? farminator3000 Jan 2013 #52

Is it necessary . . . another_liberal Jan 2013 #55

Call me old fashioned, but I like the older stuff. I'm tired of dead food, flowers without fragrance freshwest Jan 2013 #101

try this farminator3000 Jan 2013 #105

"Monsanto’s trials that showed no ill effects lasted just three months." farminator3000 Jan 2013 #110

GMOs will, in the end, prove to be a massive arrogant mistake Berlum Jan 2013 #111

Horrible, horrible science journalism. Evoman Jan 2013 #121

i'm more worried about the info than the 'quality' of writing farminator3000 Jan 2013 #123

"Genetic Roulette" will be shown on Free Speech TV on Saturday 1-25 and Sunday 1-27 DearHeart Jan 2013 #124

"There is a hollow democratic deficit here, is there not? . . ." the cover up story. good one. farminator3000 Jan 2013 #125

MonSatan ....... MindMover Apr 2013 #127