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jeff47

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183. Yet the SCOTUS has ruled repeatedly that one of those is unconstitutional.
Tue Jan 22, 2013, 05:09 PM
Jan 2013

The other, nobody has bothered to sue over.

...aaaaaaaand religious invocations have been involved in all 57 inaugurations. WilliamPitt Jan 2013 #1
Amazing how they've slipped that one past us... Jeff In Milwaukee Jan 2013 #54
chuckle... SoapBox Jan 2013 #104
Yeah... whathehell Jan 2013 #118
Christians aren't the only religious people in America... Jeff In Milwaukee Jan 2013 #122
No, in fact some of them are Jews and Muslims. whathehell Jan 2013 #138
Party Pooper....(nt) Jeff In Milwaukee Jan 2013 #148
And Hindus and Sikhs demwing Jan 2013 #187
aaaaaaaand religious invocations have been involved in all 57 inaugurations. AlbertCat Jan 2013 #57
No, it's not. The inauguration is not a government function - it's a very public kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #106
the oath as specified in the constitution SCantiGOP Jan 2013 #125
The oath giver (as someone who has taken and given many oaths over the years) MADem Jan 2013 #193
I was on a jury once as an alternate SCantiGOP Jan 2013 #197
I gave the oaths in a military environment, often to people getting promoted or re-enlisting. MADem Jan 2013 #200
Ah! The old "constitutional argument from someone who hasn't read the constittion" trick... cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #146
Actually, it is a government function. jeff47 Jan 2013 #162
Taking the Oath of Office isn't a government function? caseymoz Jan 2013 #167
It's not a "taxpayer funded" thing, either--it is mostly funded by DONORS. MADem Jan 2013 #195
...aaaaaaand slaves worked on all inaugurations until emancipation. jeff47 Jan 2013 #161
Invocations didn't start until 1937. Luminous Animal Jan 2013 #189
I agree. We all should lower our standards NoOneMan Jan 2013 #2
So being religious is a character flaw? Estevan Jan 2013 #6
Whoa. Thats certainly direct NoOneMan Jan 2013 #8
You did call it a character flaw... Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #32
But the last time there was a real socialist Christian... NoOneMan Jan 2013 #39
Oh please..."we" didn't hang anyone. Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #45
Surely that alternative may of been preferable NoOneMan Jan 2013 #52
So you object to wasting time? Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #65
Wasting time is fine...my specialty NoOneMan Jan 2013 #73
But the training must take place when the 'subject' is very young... Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #100
I used to agree, NoOneMan Jan 2013 #110
I'm not sure what you mean by that. Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #116
I don't need to change anyone's hearts NoOneMan Jan 2013 #132
So your contribution to this thread has been, what? demwing Jan 2013 #135
I don't believe I whined once NoOneMan Jan 2013 #139
more whining demwing Jan 2013 #141
Ditto NoOneMan Jan 2013 #142
now you're praying demwing Jan 2013 #155
Sorry bro, but your Atheist Age of Aquarius has not yet arrived... whathehell Jan 2013 #133
Yeah, we are still in the age of an invisible best friend impregnating a blessed virgin NoOneMan Jan 2013 #136
Oh, we're still in the age of an invisible best friend commanding Abraham to kill his own son whathehell Jan 2013 #145
Surely not as silly as a golden atheist age! NoOneMan Jan 2013 #147
More so. whathehell Jan 2013 #152
Thats a good thing to be NoOneMan Jan 2013 #154
It's not bad whathehell Jan 2013 #217
Jesus wasn't Christian, he was Jewish. eom dakota_democrat Jan 2013 #68
Its an old joke fyi NoOneMan Jan 2013 #70
Who is this "we" you are talking about? It's hard to hang an imaginary figure on anything. cleanhippie Jan 2013 #76
Civilization NoOneMan Jan 2013 #81
Whose words? I've no idea what you are talking about. cleanhippie Jan 2013 #86
I believe that he is billh58 Jan 2013 #158
My, aren't you superior? pnwmom Jan 2013 #143
I was offended by his delivering his speech in English. onehandle Jan 2013 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author onehandle Jan 2013 #12
Exactly. MineralMan Jan 2013 #4
Ignoring it enables it, and that we should never do Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #27
Nonsense. MineralMan Jan 2013 #29
Thank you. narnian60 Jan 2013 #83
As long as people do not try to force their beliefs on others I'm OK with it all. I saw RKP5637 Jan 2013 #115
I wonder whether the true purpose of those butthurt threads is to make atheists look petty Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #5
^^^This^^^ Surya Gayatri Jan 2013 #38
Intolerance and dogmatism, thy name is atheism. AlbertCat Jan 2013 #63
No demwing Jan 2013 #140
It's an official government party. jeff47 Jan 2013 #163
It's party, with government officals in attendence demwing Jan 2013 #177
They paid for the stage and other physical things jeff47 Jan 2013 #184
Those salaried employees would have been paid on that day if they went to a strip club or a polo MADem Jan 2013 #180
Actually, the bookeeping is done by the hour jeff47 Jan 2013 #186
The police, Secret Service, sanitation crews - they were working a govt event on an official holiday riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #198
The overtime is paid by the increase in tax revenue--the District usually makes money on these MADem Jan 2013 #199
The Office of Budget and Mgmt estimates 2009's inauguration cost taxpayers in excess of $50 million riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #201
That's "fake accounting," though. You're only reading one side of the ledger. MADem Jan 2013 #204
Fake? Many (most) of those people would have had a federal holiday off. riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #206
No, that's not the case. It does seem that way at first blush, but when you get down in the weeds, MADem Jan 2013 #210
"It's a party, not an official government function... Capt. Obvious Jan 2013 #169
OK, Captain Obvious, without the *prayer* demwing Jan 2013 #171
"undies bunched" Capt. Obvious Jan 2013 #176
Ha. I don't wear undies! demwing Jan 2013 #178
This is how Atheists go about converting people wrong. JaneyVee Jan 2013 #7
Oppressed trying like hell to become oppressors. intheflow Jan 2013 #22
Now there's the main point! SCVDem Jan 2013 #114
Dumb-ass straw grasping by those who are mad Obama was re-elected. emulatorloo Jan 2013 #9
Yeah. That's it. You know how those evil atheists all really secretly love Mitt. Arugula Latte Jan 2013 #26
Ya know, fuck it. Now atheists who may want less religiosity in civil ceremonies are Mitt lovers?? riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #51
I agree and for that very argument we should have formal prayer in schools. rhett o rick Jan 2013 #10
and yet another person who doesn't even have a teeny eeny grasp cali Jan 2013 #15
Apparently you do dont see the parallel and have to resort to ridicule. But you are in the majority. rhett o rick Jan 2013 #20
Give us a grasp, please muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #151
they seem to have a real beef, and although I'm not an atheist, one can understand quinnox Jan 2013 #11
--> I "heard" it was almost a full bore church religious revival <-- emulatorloo Jan 2013 #14
maybe it is a question of perspective quinnox Jan 2013 #19
you heard completely wrong and seeing as YOU didn't watch any of it, you have no basis cali Jan 2013 #17
Obama, Biden attend inaugural prayer service at Washington National Cathedral onehandle Jan 2013 #13
Obama, Biden attend inaugural prayer service at Washington National Cathedral AlbertCat Jan 2013 #67
Yeah. I just posted to a thread... NCTraveler Jan 2013 #16
it's pretty shocking cali Jan 2013 #18
No, it is you who do not understand Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #46
You're wasting your time and words on them just1voice Jan 2013 #55
Where is the hypocrisy in the post that person was replying to? NCTraveler Jan 2013 #103
That is so far out there that your problem cannot be corrected. NCTraveler Jan 2013 #101
Oh my amuse bouche Jan 2013 #117
Sounds like tama Jan 2013 #215
The best was the attack on the Battle Hymn alcibiades_mystery Jan 2013 #21
Yeah, his inauguration speech was spectacular NoOneMan Jan 2013 #24
The tone-deafness on that complaint was extraordinary WolverineDG Jan 2013 #56
Nadine's OP on the same subject yesterday was more dismissive and more condescending Fumesucker Jan 2013 #23
lol quinnox Jan 2013 #25
LOL leftstreet Jan 2013 #36
K&R it would be easier to get everyone worldwide to recognize and Whisp Jan 2013 #28
And since even this is futile NoOneMan Jan 2013 #42
Yup. Since its "traditional" (pay no mind that tradition is often code for continuing bigotry) nt riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #47
I'm not sure what you are proposing here. Whisp Jan 2013 #113
What I am proposing? NoOneMan Jan 2013 #134
on religion, my god is Bill Maher Whisp Jan 2013 #149
They just have to get over it or go see their therapist. demosincebirth Jan 2013 #30
So it would have to be a technical, clear Constitutional violation... Silent3 Jan 2013 #31
why yes. as long as you are free to exercise your religious proclivities... or not cali Jan 2013 #43
So you'd have been just peachy with it... Silent3 Jan 2013 #48
So Rick Warren was great in 2009? jeff47 Jan 2013 #164
At least they did the religious parts well this time. Some people miss the cultural aspects of Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #33
That's it? Atheists are only "whining"? "Complaining vociferously"? Ignorant of US history? riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #34
Unrec...for the use of of the word whining... joeybee12 Jan 2013 #35
Unfortunately telling atheists to STFU has a long history on DU, and gets applause riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #44
Seems members of both sides of the issue enjoy a bit of... LanternWaste Jan 2013 #58
Please provide links where atheists have told Cali or anyone else to STFU on this issue? riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #64
But the whining about the whining is top notch! Iggo Jan 2013 #37
The whining here was to be expected. Bake Jan 2013 #40
Good point..LOL! Thank God, for the scroll button on my mouse. rainlillie Jan 2013 #62
Those whining about those whining about all that Religious crap... bvar22 Jan 2013 #41
I can't forgive false religion's ties to bush. Democrats_win Jan 2013 #49
They need to get TF over it Gman Jan 2013 #50
certainly not as smart as you or the OP.. frylock Jan 2013 #124
The whining about the whining here about religion being included in the inauguration AlbertCat Jan 2013 #53
Patronizing, I knew I was missing a word, dismissive, condescending and patronizing Fumesucker Jan 2013 #59
Being that the President is a Christian, the ceremony represented his beliefs.. rainlillie Jan 2013 #60
So you would have no problem with the principal of your school, being a christian and everything, Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #87
Nope. rainlillie Jan 2013 #95
How, exactly, are the situations different? jeff47 Jan 2013 #165
Yeah and I don't have a problem with either. rainlillie Jan 2013 #172
Yet the SCOTUS has ruled repeatedly that one of those is unconstitutional. jeff47 Jan 2013 #183
Really? The Supreme Court has held otherwise for over 40 years. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #209
It is however sad that this day in age Fearless Jan 2013 #61
Seriously, who the hell are you to question what others believe.. rainlillie Jan 2013 #66
Tolerance is a beautiful thing. AlbertCat Jan 2013 #72
Sure is.. rainlillie Jan 2013 #80
You're right Fearless Jan 2013 #82
Is it really a shocker that religion played a part in the President's inauguration? AlbertCat Jan 2013 #175
And we should tolerate them when they tell people to zeemike Jan 2013 #112
And we should tolerate them when they tell people to STFU about religion... AlbertCat Jan 2013 #179
Well I can see how that is so much worse. zeemike Jan 2013 #202
you believe it is real.. AlbertCat Jan 2013 #213
Well I don't wish you any harm. zeemike Jan 2013 #214
Uh huh. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #75
This thing works both ways Fearless Jan 2013 #79
You don't have to accept jack! Just be respectful and not insulting to folks rainlillie Jan 2013 #88
I am not insulting you any more than you're insulting me. Fearless Jan 2013 #97
I guess it was the use of the term "superstitious nonsense," rainlillie Jan 2013 #107
I assume it was. Fearless Jan 2013 #108
Go for it! rainlillie Jan 2013 #111
Have a good day Fearless Jan 2013 #123
You too. rainlillie Jan 2013 #130
"superstitious nonsense," That was offensive to me. AlbertCat Jan 2013 #182
Respecting your belief means respecting you wanting me to burn in a lake of fire. jeff47 Jan 2013 #168
Merry-go-rounds are nauseating.. rainlillie Jan 2013 #170
You can be whatever you'd like. But the religion you're supporting demands I suffer. (nt) jeff47 Jan 2013 #181
Damn! you know more about me than I know about myself.. rainlillie Jan 2013 #190
You're still supporting it, whether or not you believe in it. (nt) jeff47 Jan 2013 #191
Wow--you're LUMPING! MADem Jan 2013 #212
Yup amuse bouche Jan 2013 #121
Amen!!! mfcorey1 Jan 2013 #69
Oh goodie, yet another sanctimonious lecture. forestpath Jan 2013 #71
Yeah, fuck those people that find religious ceremony at a secular event to be divisive. cleanhippie Jan 2013 #74
I'm an Atheist and I find the poutrage annoying as Hell. Odin2005 Jan 2013 #77
I'm pretty much in the same boat, I just let it roll off my back seeing it RKP5637 Jan 2013 #126
I think the divide between the religious and the non-religious is greater than ever in the US... YoungDemCA Jan 2013 #78
It seems to always be targeted at those of a Christian culture Cynicus Emeritus Jan 2013 #105
Bingo!!.....You won't hear jack shit against Judaism, Islam or anything else here whathehell Jan 2013 #150
BAM! There it is! Bake Jan 2013 #160
You're most welcome, Bake. whathehell Jan 2013 #192
There is now more whining about the whining, seems to me. djean111 Jan 2013 #84
lol quinnox Jan 2013 #85
It's like we've entered into some sort of whining paradox that could fracture the Guy Whitey Corngood Jan 2013 #91
This OP, the dismissive tone, lack of accuracy, and piling on of the replies Egalitarian Thug Jan 2013 #89
It's dissapointing I guess, but he is a Christian, so this is in keeping with his publicly claimed AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #90
Spam deleted by cyberswede (MIR Team) soft_eyes Jan 2013 #92
5, 4, 3, 2...... Guy Whitey Corngood Jan 2013 #93
and you little pumpkin are soon to be booted out of here on your moronic cali Jan 2013 #99
as an atheist i found YankeyMCC Jan 2013 #94
But the religiosity is superfluous. longship Jan 2013 #96
One person's "whining".. 99Forever Jan 2013 #98
Cali, you need to rethink what separation means cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #102
+1 Great post. Luminous Animal Jan 2013 #196
I'm not going to call anyone a whiner jcamp27 Jan 2013 #109
Cali, You've made some good points rainlillie Jan 2013 #119
May Odin Bless and Keep you frylock Jan 2013 #120
or one of the other amuse bouche Jan 2013 #127
It did violate separation of church and state Progressive dog Jan 2013 #128
nonetheless, when the praying starts, I stop paying attention.... mike_c Jan 2013 #129
Certain OPs were disingenuous, IMO ecstatic Jan 2013 #131
The overwhelmng majority of Americans believe in God bluestateguy Jan 2013 #137
I refute your majoritarian argument Thus... cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #144
I suggest that... 99Forever Jan 2013 #166
The overwhelmng majority of Americans believe in God AlbertCat Jan 2013 #185
99% of the members of Congress also swear in on a Bible. Obama is also a Christian so uses the Bible judesedit Jan 2013 #153
Nit-picky navel-gazing. . . DinahMoeHum Jan 2013 #156
why do all of these kind of whines always include stupidicus Jan 2013 #157
I am confused and sad ... trishtrash Jan 2013 #159
We are, in other threads. djean111 Jan 2013 #174
Of course, I know that. (A little patronizing by the way.) trishtrash Jan 2013 #205
Sorry - I thought it was a little disingenuous to ask why we couldn't talk about nice things ;-) djean111 Jan 2013 #208
I get your points and honor your beliefs. trishtrash Jan 2013 #211
Agreed n/t malaise Jan 2013 #173
No one is forced to pray or believe JNelson6563 Jan 2013 #188
+1 progressoid Jan 2013 #216
Totally agree. nt Raine Jan 2013 #194
Thank you for the buckets of blood Laochtine Jan 2013 #203
This call out OP is a whine. Lame and entitled. DirkGently Jan 2013 #207
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