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Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
6. People also kill themselves in their cars
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 12:39 PM
Jan 2013

I am terribly sorry for the loss of your son, but in my experience a person determined to kill him/herself does.

After my father's death, I went through my mother's house and threw away the drug hoard she had been compiling to kill herself with if things got too bad (she was ill with a very painful disease at the time). She wasn't at all irrational, so I wasn't concerned about anything but a rational suicide due an increase of her physical pain and a decline in her physical functioning.

Within a month I found that she had written to the Hemlock Society and had gotten a nice pamphlet of helpful instructions about killing yourself with the minimum fuss and inconvenience to anyone else. This alarmed me, because I thought that she was very afraid of becoming dependent and ruining her children's lives, so the idea of making it all convenient was going to shift the balance in her mind. So I moved in with her, and stayed for a year. The treatment worked and her physical condition improved.

Nineteen years later, my mother's life was ended by a man who ran a red light early one morning and crushed her car. She died in the car about 70 feet away from the EMT station. It would have been different if the treatment hadn't worked - she was able to go back to work and felt useful. That was what changed things - nothing that I could have done would have changed things if the treatment hadn't worked.

Again, I am sorry for your loss, but guns don't cause suicides. They are a means. They may, by being there and being effective, facilitate one, but I do not think that the number of suicides would meaningfully change if all the guns in the US suddenly vanished. I think instead a lot of people would kill themselves with their cars. That's how most of the people I have known killed themselves - I think they thought it provided plausible deniability for their families.

I think a better mental health system and a better economy would meaningfully reduce the suicide rate. I think about the people I have known who killed themselves, and I think that only a few could have been prevented by even those things.

I don't know what to say to you about the loss of your son - just that you are not alone in this suffering and you are not responsible for his death.

Suicide & guns. [View all] easttexaslefty Jan 2013 OP
If somebody wants to kill themselves, they will. MadHound Jan 2013 #1
You facts are fucked up. easttexaslefty Jan 2013 #2
None of what you posted disputes what I posted MadHound Jan 2013 #5
Yes, your facts are fucked up. easttexaslefty Jan 2013 #7
Look, I'm sorry for your loss, MadHound Jan 2013 #13
I don't claim to be but I know who is. easttexaslefty Jan 2013 #20
That's because gun ownership is more popular now for young women Yo_Mama Jan 2013 #11
Mass shooters are suicidial> so a gun makes it easier & potentially more victims. KittyWampus Jan 2013 #8
Sexist and Stupid postatomic Jan 2013 #24
Believe it or not, this was alerted for "sexism". Predictably, 6-0 to leave. Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #25
Ya. Because saying women easttexaslefty Jan 2013 #28
Speaking with some experience you are talking out of your ass. intaglio Jan 2013 #27
I am sorry for your loss Robyn66 Jan 2013 #3
Thanks easttexaslefty Jan 2013 #4
What is worse Robyn66 Jan 2013 #19
People also kill themselves in their cars Yo_Mama Jan 2013 #6
This is utter bullshit. easttexaslefty Jan 2013 #9
Yeah, impulse is a factor in many Yo_Mama Jan 2013 #14
Yet you didn't Robyn66 Jan 2013 #17
So what do you propose we do? Travis_0004 Jan 2013 #15
FOR GODS SAKE DONT TOUCH THE GUNS!!!! nt Robyn66 Jan 2013 #18
The false equivalence between cars and guns needs to STOP Robyn66 Jan 2013 #16
Bullshit. Zoeisright Jan 2013 #22
I'm surprised it isn't higher Supply Side Jesus Jan 2013 #10
K&R in sad memory of a relative who shot herself in the head MotherPetrie Jan 2013 #12
Guns make suicide easier LeftInTX Jan 2013 #21
Exactly. easttexaslefty Jan 2013 #23
Gun availability does NOT always mean high suicide rates Lurks Often Jan 2013 #26
Here's the point. Here's you... easttexaslefty Jan 2013 #30
More stupid postatomic Jan 2013 #31
Might want to work on your reading comprehension Lurks Often Jan 2013 #37
"every time I buy a gun" ??!!! postatomic Jan 2013 #38
Nothing Lurks Often Jan 2013 #41
"every time you buy a gun" easttexaslefty Jan 2013 #40
Project much? Lurks Often Jan 2013 #42
Hardly. easttexaslefty Jan 2013 #43
Why don't you mosey back to easttexaslefty Jan 2013 #44
Statistics just published in Maine: mainer Jan 2013 #29
I lost my best friend when he put a bullet in his head pinboy3niner Jan 2013 #32
Guns might be the method for most suicides... but almost never the reason. OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #33
No shit?? easttexaslefty Jan 2013 #34
If you advocate restricting a symptom rather than solve the problem... OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #35
You are clueless. easttexaslefty Jan 2013 #36
I read in the article on Australian gun control treestar Jan 2013 #39
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