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84. My right to walk around

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 12:05 PM

Jan 2013

The problem for me is how do I know for sure they are the good guys and only intend to use their guns to protect themselves from bad guys? How do I know they aren't the bad guys? That's what they ask us to assume and it's pretty big. Adam Lanza'a mother thought she was protecting herself. Turns out she just enabled the murders of others.

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What's more important: The rights of living, breathing people to walk around with their lives… [View all] MrScorpio Jan 2013 OP

overly simple question... n/t a geek named Bob Jan 2013 #1

Would you like to answer it? MrScorpio Jan 2013 #3

okay then... a geek named Bob Jan 2013 #14

So, you object to the right of having a vast array of firearms out there? MrScorpio Jan 2013 #17

shaping rhetoric, are we? a geek named Bob Jan 2013 #20

it's the "collections" that do endanger people outside the home noiretextatique Jan 2013 #27

I'd say that's a case of not locking up the guns... a geek named Bob Jan 2013 #43

and the result is the same noiretextatique Jan 2013 #44

right... the guns had the magic power to entice the kid... a geek named Bob Jan 2013 #49

How Do We KNOW Your Guns (or anyone's for that matter) Don't Endanger Someone Outside Your House? Skraxx Jan 2013 #30

actually... a geek named Bob Jan 2013 #40

IOW, You Really Have No Answer Skraxx Jan 2013 #59

You seem to want to pick a fight... a geek named Bob Jan 2013 #60

Who Says I'm Non-Violent? Skraxx Jan 2013 #61

those would definitely have effects outside of property lines a geek named Bob Jan 2013 #64

So, People's Guns Never Leave Their Property Line? Skraxx Jan 2013 #66

That's ONE of my criteria a geek named Bob Jan 2013 #67

Oh, I See, So YOU Decide All The Criteria Of What's Acceptable and What's Not? Skraxx Jan 2013 #68

and your glancing insults don't really add to the conversation... shame on you a geek named Bob Jan 2013 #69

They Don't Leave Your Property? How Do I Know That? Cuz YOU Say So? Why Would You Leave Things Skraxx Jan 2013 #72

okay... so you've gone into crazy land... I can respect that... a geek named Bob Jan 2013 #73

So You're An Anarchist Then? Because The Penal Code Is Exactly The Community Deciding Something Skraxx Jan 2013 #74

I electrified the lawn for two reasons... jeenyus a geek named Bob Jan 2013 #75

So You're A Ridiculously Paranoid Anarchist? Skraxx Jan 2013 #76

I'll ask again a geek named Bob Jan 2013 #77

Do You Believe The Community Has No Say At All In Your Dangerous, Irresponsible Skraxx Jan 2013 #78

I'll answer yours, if you answer mine... n/t a geek named Bob Jan 2013 #79

The Answer To Yours is Contained in the answer to mine Skraxx Jan 2013 #80

actually... I enjoyed your rhetoric on that one a geek named Bob Jan 2013 #81

Under Certain Circumstances, Indeed, I Just Might Have That Right Skraxx Jan 2013 #83

You answered my question, and I'll answer yours... and then I have another question... a geek named Bob Jan 2013 #87

I Don't Think That's Relevant To Anything I've Said, Or To This Debate Skraxx Jan 2013 #90

I've stated that I obey the laws of my state and my city a geek named Bob Jan 2013 #91

YOU Say You Obey The Laws, I Don't Know That Skraxx Jan 2013 #92

My electrified lawn isn't a danger to someone, unless they trespass... a geek named Bob Jan 2013 #93

May I Suggest Reading Comprehension 101, Because I Never Said Any Such Thing Skraxx Jan 2013 #94

from your own words a geek named Bob Jan 2013 #95

Where did I say "need"? Skraxx Jan 2013 #96

Oh? So you are a member of the Law Enforcement community? a geek named Bob Jan 2013 #97

Bullshit, I Never Implied Any Such Thing, put up or shut up, lets see this implication Skraxx Jan 2013 #98

Skraxx... a geek named Bob Jan 2013 #100

You.Seem.To Believe The community Has No Obligation To Regulate You Skraxx Jan 2013 #101

I like my 16-g pump rickyhall Jan 2013 #33

The problem is... a geek named Bob Jan 2013 #38

True rickyhall Jan 2013 #82

I prefer a layered defence model: a geek named Bob Jan 2013 #86

+1 Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #99

False dilemma a.k.a. false dichotomy or black-ad-white thinking, a common logical fallacy slackmaster Jan 2013 #2

It's only a fallacy when the two alternatives AREN'T actually mutually exclusive. 2ndAmForComputers Jan 2013 #5

+1 Puzzledtraveller Jan 2013 #62

I was not aware sarisataka Jan 2013 #4

you believe guns and their use can be regulated then? thanks! nt msongs Jan 2013 #6

I do believe they can be regulated, sarisataka Jan 2013 #9

If you're NOT gunning other people down, this question wouldn't apply to you… MrScorpio Jan 2013 #7

It shouldn't sarisataka Jan 2013 #11

"…in order to gun them down." MrScorpio Jan 2013 #13

You are talking in two directions sarisataka Jan 2013 #16

My question asked about access to a vast array, that could also mean a .22 pistol… MrScorpio Jan 2013 #21

I see a bit of where you are going sarisataka Jan 2013 #26

Then the question is applicable only to a handful of people. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #22

Well, alrighty then… OK. Who has the more important right? nt MrScorpio Jan 2013 #23

Of the groups to which your question actually applies? Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #25

If you accept that they are both rights AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #34

it seems you EarthWindFire Jan 2013 #8

Where did I ask about "100 million gun owners"? MrScorpio Jan 2013 #12

okay sir EarthWindFire Jan 2013 #19

I'm saying that if we made a priority of dealing with gun violence... MrScorpio Jan 2013 #31

Now that EarthWindFire Jan 2013 #36

I think a better question would be FunkyLeprechaun Jan 2013 #10

People carry weapons around for a lot of reasons, some of them based on paranoia MrScorpio Jan 2013 #15

I was just thinking of that ABC (?) video FunkyLeprechaun Jan 2013 #35

Not even close, Mr. S. Denninmi Jan 2013 #18

Yes. People are more important than property… MrScorpio Jan 2013 #24

+100000 noiretextatique Jan 2013 #29

i'd say the former is more important than the latter noiretextatique Jan 2013 #28

You would think that would be obvious, wouldn't you. rivegauche Jan 2013 #32

I call false strawman nonsense question. bluerum Jan 2013 #37

Neither. The most important thing in the world is to make rich people richer. nt valerief Jan 2013 #39

I'll remember you, come dividend check time... n/t a geek named Bob Jan 2013 #41

It's now become the Right to Massacre. calimary Jan 2013 #42

THis is an entirely ridiculous statement. Please say you forgot the :sarcasm: OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #46

It does amount to "a right to massacre" marions ghost Jan 2013 #70

you are so right noiretextatique Jan 2013 #47

Disengenious framing. OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #45

however, the co-existence hasn't been working so well, has it? noiretextatique Jan 2013 #48

mass destruction refers to AREA weapons: war gases... a geek named Bob Jan 2013 #50

an assualt weapons that one uses to murder 20 children noiretextatique Jan 2013 #53

your propaganda is showing... a geek named Bob Jan 2013 #55

and so is yours noiretextatique Jan 2013 #57

rightie-O a geek named Bob Jan 2013 #58

Another false choice, eh? You're just full of logical fallacies today. OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #51

I live in the country. A gun is a necessity for survival. A semi-automatic is not. appleannie1 Jan 2013 #52

Life is only important Politicalboi Jan 2013 #54

Gunarians are NOT about freedom & the ONLY blood they want sacrifice to Liberty is others' patrice Jan 2013 #56

Oy vey! Puzzledtraveller Jan 2013 #63

Only the government should have the right to blow people away. Remmah2 Jan 2013 #65

The Congress will confirm, imo, that the right of others to have access to a vast array of firearms indepat Jan 2013 #71

My right to walk around treestar Jan 2013 #84

To Gun Lovers, It's More Important to Walk Around with a Very False Sense of Power and Control Yavin4 Jan 2013 #85

I'm sick of talking to gun owners like they're children. In all honesty: Comrade_McKenzie Jan 2013 #88

nice 'tude... n/t a geek named Bob Jan 2013 #89