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58. If you look through the Dover catalogue

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 07:31 PM

Jan 2013

they probably have (or had) some 19th or 18th century drawing manuals on folds. It's very sytematized... the five (or 8 or 12) basic forms of folds, the shadows cast within each... where the highlights fall on satin. It's like an engineering text.

Even Bridgeman's anatomy (a very modern work) ends with chapters on folds.

And since it was something there was a very good system for (and looks harder to do than it is) artists went nuts with folds and fabrics. It was isolated technique... something to do when the model went home.

So from DaVinci to Ingres (to deLempicka) we sae fabric upon fabric upon fabric. It was something they were really good at, and they knew it.

But as convincing as it all is, it is not naturalistic. It is better than nature. Artists were trained to paint folds, not wrinkles. Each little fold is purposeful.

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