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JohnnyRingo

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90. I thought they were homely.

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 01:52 PM

Jan 2013

Especially with the thumb hole in the stock that replaced the pistol grip. Gone too was the flash suppressor that helped give the AR such a ready for assault look.

I know pre-ban model sales were through the roof and caused them to go from $800 to more than double that, but I still haven't seen a post-ban weapon since the law was sunsetted. Certainly no one is using them for these mass murders. I didn't know they were so popular.

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In which I remind DU that the assault weapons ban doesn't do what you think it does [View all] Recursion Jan 2013 OP

So you've seen the text of the planned legislation? I don't know anyone else who has. hlthe2b Jan 2013 #1

She describes it on her website Recursion Jan 2013 #6

that is a pdf of the bill summary--not the full text and she has not yet introduced... hlthe2b Jan 2013 #13

OK, if it changes to a different bill from what she's describing, I'll consider that Recursion Jan 2013 #23

It's not necessarily a 'bad' idea. Just not an all inclusive one. randome Jan 2013 #26

How does this little bit help? Recursion Jan 2013 #31

How does it hurt Bandit Jan 2013 #39

If 1994 is any indication, it leads to a huge surge in sales of ban-compliant equally capable rifles Recursion Jan 2013 #41

Hm. That's a point to consider. randome Jan 2013 #55

There has been an ongoing buying binge ever since Obama became President Bandit Jan 2013 #58

Sales skyrocketed under the 94 ban Recursion Jan 2013 #60

If you know a lot about guns and want there to be fewer of them, then perhaps you JDPriestly Jan 2013 #85

Well, I don't own any guns, personally Recursion Jan 2013 #88

Thanks. Looks like you have some good ideas. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #93

I agree with you about the grip. So yes, a better definition of 'assault weapon' would be needed. randome Jan 2013 #40

There's two schools of thought on this. Recursion Jan 2013 #69

I do see your point. And now when the NRA is weak is a better time to push. randome Jan 2013 #75

How does it help? SpartanDem Jan 2013 #64

It's a start. We can work from there. Maybe the gun lobby will decide to accept the fact JDPriestly Jan 2013 #84

I think what the OP is saying is that passing a bad law is worse than no law at all. rhett o rick Jan 2013 #43

I'd hope all would provide that feedback to Feinstein's office (and others) hlthe2b Jan 2013 #49

That's the thing about the law--it can be tightened later Lex Jan 2013 #2

No, it's not about "tightening" it or "loopholes" Recursion Jan 2013 #7

It can be done. Lex Jan 2013 #12

What can be done. Banning semi-automatics? Certainly Recursion Jan 2013 #19

I would like to see Feinstein's list ... GeorgeGist Jan 2013 #3

Thankfully she has a website Recursion Jan 2013 #8

Pretty vague. GeorgeGist Jan 2013 #51

Not if you know the legislation Recursion Jan 2013 #76

Link to DiFi's summary: SpankMe Jan 2013 #9

"WE", "OUR SIDE" .... should definitely stop re-using the phrase "Assault Weapons Ban" Schema Thing Jan 2013 #4

Great idea! That's not what it does, at all. At any point. Recursion Jan 2013 #10

The people promoting a ban are counting on widespread ignorance as the foundation for support slackmaster Jan 2013 #5

You Can Be Knowledgeable About Guns And Still Support Regulations. Paladin Jan 2013 #14

Certainly you can. Can you tell me why you want to regulate how semi-automatics can look? Recursion Jan 2013 #17

I Just Responded To You On This Point On Another Thread. (nt) Paladin Jan 2013 #24

Edit: found it. Recursion Jan 2013 #35

I have the answer to that. RC Jan 2013 #82

You can buy those (I also will do my best to address your point). Recursion Jan 2013 #83

Sure, but we see evidence on DU Forums every day that there is widespread ignorance slackmaster Jan 2013 #18

Yeah, I Do. Paladin Jan 2013 #28

I'll take Joe Biden over Carolyn McCarthy or Dianne Feinstein on this issue any day slackmaster Jan 2013 #33

Yeah, Where Do McCarthy Or Feinstein Get Off.... Paladin Jan 2013 #47

I expect people who have a special vested interest in a legislative issue to recuse themselves... slackmaster Jan 2013 #54

As If A Shitload Of Repub Legislators Don't Have Vested Interests In NRA-Friendly Policies. (nt) Paladin Jan 2013 #67

Yes, I'll bet a lot of them own stock in gun companies slackmaster Jan 2013 #86

Last paragraph TheCowsCameHome Jan 2013 #11

OK, did you get the part where I said this *doesn't ban* semi-automatic weapons? Recursion Jan 2013 #15

I'm curious to know why you think any particular law would magically prevent any future occurance... slackmaster Jan 2013 #16

agree 100% Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #20

Yes. And the Ring of Fire seems to be rearing it's ugly head again Recursion Jan 2013 #21

I'll wait to see the final right up on the legislation uponit7771 Jan 2013 #22

Granted. Sausage gets some weird stuff mixed in some times. Recursion Jan 2013 #27

I know very little about guns. What does the "shape of the grip" have to do with anything? Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #25

Great question Recursion Jan 2013 #30

"Assault weapon" is a made up term that is technically meaningless hack89 Jan 2013 #38

So this is a complete waste of time that would not prevent another Newtown. Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #45

The Newtown shooter's gun was not legally an assault weapon hack89 Jan 2013 #53

This is why I and a few others keep banging our heads against this wall (nt) Recursion Jan 2013 #72

Nonsense. Pistol grips have tangible advantages in all manner of tools. Robb Jan 2013 #56

In the case of a rifle or shotgun, it provides for better control of the weapon than a "traditional" slackmaster Jan 2013 #62

But it does not make a semi-automatic rifle more lethal. hack89 Jan 2013 #66

You still have to hold it with both hands when firing Recursion Jan 2013 #71

What are the 120 specifically-named firearms that will be banned? Robb Jan 2013 #29

Fine. Let's have a "high firepower weapons ban" ... Scuba Jan 2013 #32

That's an *outstanding* idea, and I would support it (nt) Recursion Jan 2013 #34

Whew. Lex Jan 2013 #36

Thanks. I just don't think this stuff is that complicated. I think banning weapons by name ... Scuba Jan 2013 #44

Exactly Recursion Jan 2013 #50

Nah, they just don't care about the nuances. Most DU'ers don't craft legislation, they just want ... Scuba Jan 2013 #57

It's definitely seen as that, I agree. And a lot of times it is that. Recursion Jan 2013 #68

The National Firearms Act of 1934 addresses two of those three issues slackmaster Jan 2013 #37

Great, we have a long-standing precedent. Now we only have to update it to deal with AR-15's ... Scuba Jan 2013 #42

That is doable, if Congress can be persuaded. slackmaster Jan 2013 #46

It might be politically possible to reschedule semi-automatics with detachable magazines Recursion Jan 2013 #48

Thank You For Your Explanation Of This..... global1 Jan 2013 #52

Thank you for your concern. 99Forever Jan 2013 #59

Really? Recursion Jan 2013 #70

Yes. 99Forever Jan 2013 #74

What strawman? SpartanDem Jan 2013 #80

And thank you for playing. 99Forever Jan 2013 #87

Thanks Recursion beemer27 Jan 2013 #61

A red-light green-light private sale NICS system like that Recursion Jan 2013 #65

Needs to go through a licensed dealer to ensure proper "paperwork" kept, accountability, and prevent Hoyt Jan 2013 #78

I think you're probably right Recursion Jan 2013 #81

Frankly, all guns are assault weapons. Skidmore Jan 2013 #63

Hunting is still necessary SpartanDem Jan 2013 #73

If Thompsons were legal, they'd be the #1 weapon of choice. JohnnyRingo Jan 2013 #77

Huh? Sales skyrocketed during the ban. Absolutely through the roof. Recursion Jan 2013 #79

I thought they were homely. JohnnyRingo Jan 2013 #90

Somebody posted a graph which I now can't find Recursion Jan 2013 #91

I'll take your word on it. JohnnyRingo Jan 2013 #92

Here's WHY a bad law is worse than no law Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #89

I am for whatever stops this senseless attack on American citizens. Thinkingabout Jan 2013 #94