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23. Hey

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 05:15 PM

Jan 2012

So was his insistence on a public option

He was also going to veto NDAA.

He is very good at nuanced language intended to make people feel good about him.

He'll cut whatever deal he feels gives him the best outcome, and he HAS said that, and done that before.

And he's callled people sanctimonious for disagreeing with his deals.

...want me to list the stuff he has done, which includes making progress on health care

A Step Forward on Health Care
http://sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=20BD0B94-8A65-45D9-938A-B87BBECAC4C2

What he knows how to do well is get stuff done: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=209077

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Bernie Sanders Cracks The CODED THREAT To Entitlements In Obama’s State Of The Union [View all] Segami Jan 2012 OP

also, Paul is dead. librechik Jan 2012 #1

Yeah, I would've found *any* other way to say that. Robb Jan 2012 #2

This is such ridiculous nonsense. TheWraith Jan 2012 #3

maybe because Obama said so straight up in the SOTU hfojvt Jan 2012 #56

No, he didn't. TheWraith Jan 2012 #67

here's what he said hfojvt Jan 2012 #76

The President's statement to "rein in long-term costs" applies only to Medicare and Medicaid. Bolo Boffin Jan 2012 #88

it's not separated by much - a simple comma hfojvt Jan 2012 #104

and different verbs. n/t Bolo Boffin Jan 2012 #106

Agreed: "rein in" & "strengthen" patrice Jan 2012 #113

Thank you, good clarification flamingdem Jan 2012 #126

Point one, you're citing a spam website. TheWraith Jan 2012 #89

well google brings up what google brings up hfojvt Jan 2012 #103

In his recap of the ACA debate last year, Bernie Sanders himself said that Medicare NEEDS reforms, patrice Jan 2012 #114

Couldn't "long term costs" more likely refer to administrative costs which are MORE long-term than patrice Jan 2012 #112

He also said, "That's why our health care law relies on a reformed private market, fasttense Jan 2012 #91

Your post or the analysis by the great Bernie Sanders? slay Jan 2012 #78

I for one do NOT want Obama "working with republicans about reforming entitlement programs" arcane1 Jan 2012 #4

You are damned straight. Hell Hath No Fury Jan 2012 #10

So, you're all okay with Risk Managers deciding what kind of care is available from "health" "care" patrice Jan 2012 #116

The only "reform" I am OK with is a move to single payer. Hell Hath No Fury Jan 2012 #122

How do you think that could happen? Process-wise, what would happen that would patrice Jan 2012 #124

Have your read HR 676 Expanded & Improved Medicare for All yet? patrice Jan 2012 #125

Exactly. How about working with Sanders on reform instead. FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #27

He already did. Hell Hath No Fury Jan 2012 #36

Well, then go ahead and let the GOP do it by themselves by voting for the GOP candidate. (sarc) nanabugg Jan 2012 #61

What does that even mean? arcane1 Jan 2012 #62

I wonder whose side Obama is on? SammyWinstonJack Jan 2012 #92

Agree with part of this & I will add: Repukes fight reform because it can be directed at patrice Jan 2012 #117

Uh oh, Bernie gratuitous Jan 2012 #5

OBAMA BAD, BAD, BAD!! HE GON' PUT BERNIE "UNDER THE BUS!" Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #19

I didn't say Obama was going to do it gratuitous Jan 2012 #24

That's a tired ass line that gets uttered around here. The Obama Bad meme is prominent Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #44

But even tireder and assier gratuitous Jan 2012 #53

Nah, people don't stifle criticism. They stifle IDIOCY!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #59

Could be that he was saying TTE "Despite the outcome of the Iraq situation, our military has patrice Jan 2012 #118

1) Mis-state what the poster said. FredStembottom Jan 2012 #107

Childish? Embarrassing? That's rich. Kettle, meet black!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #108

How about we put off the whole "under the bus" stuff until he is actually put there? FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #29

Oh, but of course! gratuitous Jan 2012 #35

With that kind of melodrama, you missed your true calling. stevenleser Jan 2012 #82

I thought Obama said "strengthen" not "reform". tabatha Jan 2012 #6

He has used "strengthen" in the past -- Hell Hath No Fury Jan 2012 #9

"Strengthen" RobinA Jan 2012 #105

Working with Republicans to "strengthen" Social Security et al Art_from_Ark Jan 2012 #123

Here is what he said. Life Long Dem Jan 2012 #34

I wondered about this comment: SomethingFishy Jan 2012 #7

Yeah I heard that too zipplewrath Jan 2012 #12

well that is where he is coming from - people have to be realistic and honest like Bernie - Douglas Carpenter Jan 2012 #13

Love this post. redqueen Jan 2012 #47

"Rely" is the key word BadgerKid Jan 2012 #16

! So when you turn 65 suddenly a government program can do better? anAustralianobserver Jan 2012 #63

He just explained why Democrats got creamed in 2010 eridani Jan 2012 #73

He was trying to tell the people who call him a socialist tabatha Jan 2012 #81

I know, this was a straightforward guided missile aimed at Repug talking points. stevenleser Jan 2012 #83

Yes, but wasn't there news made here that he now thinks that a government plan option anAustralianobserver Jan 2012 #87

Yes and I do recall that during the health care debate, when under pressure from the left to keep limpyhobbler Jan 2012 #101

That's what I thought. I guess people like Adam Green will draw attention to this. anAustralianobserver Jan 2012 #119

I see.. so he said this to prove to Republicans SomethingFishy Jan 2012 #110

No. He's not talking to Republicans. He is not saying what you are suggesting at all. stevenleser Jan 2012 #120

"reformed private market" Who does he thinks he's kidding here" SammyWinstonJack Jan 2012 #96

He's definitely not liberal nor progressive fascisthunter Jan 2012 #97

Senator Sanders is fiercely protective of the social safety net and his comments are welcomed. proverbialwisdom Jan 2012 #8

There ProSense Jan 2012 #11

His appointees to the Simpson Boyles committee give one pause zipplewrath Jan 2012 #15

Actually, ProSense Jan 2012 #17

So was his insistence on a public option zipplewrath Jan 2012 #21

Hey ProSense Jan 2012 #23

No zipplewrath Jan 2012 #41

Why ProSense Jan 2012 #48

Because it supports the point zipplewrath Jan 2012 #51

Great ProSense Jan 2012 #55

He couldn't veto NDAA it was veto-proof. FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #31

I checked the constitution zipplewrath Jan 2012 #39

Evidently you don't know what compromise is. Major Hogwash Jan 2012 #54

What's the difference between compromise and capitulation? zipplewrath Jan 2012 #115

I think theymeant veto proof as in a veto would have done more harm than good cstanleytech Jan 2012 #66

All of that is right and there is still more that would have made the veto worse... stevenleser Jan 2012 #84

With 283 votes in the House, NDAA was not veto proof. limpyhobbler Jan 2012 #102

Actually, Obama has directly linked Social Security to the deficit suffragette Jan 2012 #127

This has been an issue since Mr. Obama's first SOTU TBF Jan 2012 #14

"It's a bad idea but you'll find them hawking it on both sides of the aisle." Hell Hath No Fury Jan 2012 #43

This one is driven by money - no doubt about it. nt TBF Jan 2012 #49

i see we're back to the "he's gonna kill SS!1!!" line... been a few months... dionysus Jan 2012 #18

But it's so effective. great white snark Jan 2012 #20

Damn that Bernie Sanders! Cali_Democrat Jan 2012 #26

nope. he isn't. the people using his statement as another excuse to hop on the Breathless Anger dionysus Jan 2012 #29

and he is a Right Wing Troll bvar22 Jan 2012 #32

that *is* an impressive strawman you just burned down... dionysus Jan 2012 #52

Cat Food. Scurrilous Jan 2012 #33

mixed with water and peas no doubt!1!1 dionysus Jan 2012 #40

Bernie Sanders is an honest voice. 99Forever Jan 2012 #22

+1. n/t gkhouston Jan 2012 #38

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jan 2012 #25

Thank You, Senator Sanders, for keeping it REAL. bvar22 Jan 2012 #28

You have every reason to be worried. Hell Hath No Fury Jan 2012 #42

I wish President Obama would "work" with the Progressive Caucus, bvar22 Jan 2012 #45

And while he is ridiculing the Progressive Caucus, A Simple Game Jan 2012 #64

So he promised something that would actually strengthen Social Security but once elected, he does SammyWinstonJack Jan 2012 #98

Yeah, that part of the SOTU had me worried too. Matariki Jan 2012 #37

It was not about "cracking a code" he said he was concerned about what would come of it and if deacon Jan 2012 #46

What a load of bullshit krawhitham Jan 2012 #50

And even then there will be a section that refuses to let it go Bodhi BloodWave Jan 2012 #57

If Senator Sanders says he smells a rat then there is a rat. n/t leeroysphitz Jan 2012 #58

except he didn't say anything like that.. but you go ahead and be suspicious if it cheers you dionysus Jan 2012 #60

Some of you do realize though that not "all" reform is bad? cstanleytech Jan 2012 #65

Want reform? Not one more nickel should be borrowed from the SS trust fund for so-called "defense." AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2012 #70

Agreed and I am glad to see you agree we should do some reform as well. cstanleytech Jan 2012 #75

"Sacred cows" like Social Security? just1voice Jan 2012 #109

No, sacred cows like Defense spending. cstanleytech Jan 2012 #121

Not nearly as much waste as there is in the Private HC Industry. How about we talk sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #85

Agree there as well. cstanleytech Jan 2012 #90

THANKFULLY at least one office holder can read between the lines Raine Jan 2012 #68

The Republican obstructionists did not appoint the members of the Cat-Food Commission. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2012 #69

It wasn't coded at all cthulu2016 Jan 2012 #71

Don't worry. Obama will veto any cuts to entitlements. Just like he vetoed the NDAA. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2012 #72

Remember when he filibustered the FISA amendments? OnyxCollie Jan 2012 #80

Nope.... can't say that I have eoither fascisthunter Jan 2012 #95

And that's too bad. OnyxCollie Jan 2012 #100

This is IT .... Obama is NOW going to kill SS!!!!!! JoePhilly Jan 2012 #74

And he didn't challenge...WHY? CakeGrrl Jan 2012 #77

Right on Bernie! burrowowl Jan 2012 #79

There will various analyses loyalsister Jan 2012 #86

And what Obama really said was... SidDithers Jan 2012 #93

Here's another Rec fascisthunter Jan 2012 #94

K&R (nt) T S Justly Jan 2012 #99

K&R patrice Jan 2012 #111