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randome

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94. One of the EOs is to study the cause of violence. Maybe something can come from that.

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 07:15 PM

Jan 2013

But banning assault weapons -despite the OP's contention that it didn't work in Mexico so...- will lessen the occurrence of mass slaughter of children.

Owning an assault weapon, IMO, does not make one innocent since, as we've seen, such weapons can be stolen and used by someone else. They are too deadly to have around. Anywhere.

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Mexico bans "assault weapons;" mass shootings fall to - oh, wait... [View all] derby378 Jan 2013 OP

This message was self-deleted by its author Drunken Irishman Jan 2013 #1

scraping the bottom of the barrel with this one aren't ya? Motown_Johnny Jan 2013 #2

Come back to me with overall homicide trends instead of cherry-picked data derby378 Jan 2013 #5

we are talking about specific legislation, stop trying to obscure the issue Motown_Johnny Jan 2013 #6

Australia bans assault weapons...read prime ministers letter in NY Times rustydog Jan 2013 #83

What weapons were used? Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2013 #8

speculate all you want, the numbers speak for themselves Motown_Johnny Jan 2013 #10

Except they don' Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2013 #11

you are cherry picking and using far to small a timeframe Motown_Johnny Jan 2013 #12

How can it be cherry-picking to ask which weapons were used? Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2013 #14

I didn't make the graph Motown_Johnny Jan 2013 #20

"it is reasonable to suppose that it would continue grow in effect the longer it existed." Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2013 #33

There have been EarthWindFire Jan 2013 #81

You are right, a ban on assault weapons is not enough. But it's a good start. Hoyt Jan 2013 #27

You have to start somewhere rustydog Jan 2013 #76

I know, if you can't name every little internal part you can't express an opinion on guns in society Hoyt Jan 2013 #85

Does this help? bighart Jan 2013 #41

Then they should be banning hammers. Remmah2 Jan 2013 #42

That is always a bogus argument. randome Jan 2013 #79

Children are being slaughtered in the inner cities, many more by handguns. Remmah2 Jan 2013 #84

One of the EOs is to study the cause of violence. Maybe something can come from that. randome Jan 2013 #94

How many mass killings have there been with hammers in the last 30 years or so? ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #101

Hasn't this graph been debunked many times on this board> nt Mojorabbit Jan 2013 #15

not that I am aware of, if so I will self delete Motown_Johnny Jan 2013 #18

Here is one of the threads that discusses it Mojorabbit Jan 2013 #96

I don't see anything that debunks the graphic Motown_Johnny Jan 2013 #97

I guess what I am saying is that Mojorabbit Jan 2013 #99

In the very short term, yes. But supplies run out Motown_Johnny Jan 2013 #100

does that graph say the backwoodsbob Jan 2013 #30

the average is EarthWindFire Jan 2013 #82

exact;ly, the evidence shows that the AWBan works samsingh Jan 2013 #31

What the graph says is Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2013 #34

there are other graphs that show a decrease in gun crime after the bill was adopted and an increase samsingh Jan 2013 #93

How many of those were ATF supplied weapons? Remmah2 Jan 2013 #43

Cool NRA talking point, bro (nt) muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #44

The NRA is opposed to illegal gun sales. Remmah2 Jan 2013 #46

Cool NRA talking point, bro, and that goes for #42 as well, of course (nt) muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #47

Thank you comrade. Remmah2 Jan 2013 #49

All joking aside, do you have any connection to the Democratic Party? muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #51

Do you? I see little evidence. Show some. nt Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #56

Search for "muriel_volestrangler" "obama"; you'll find plenty of my posts supporting him muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #62

Talk is cheap. Remmah2 Jan 2013 #66

Talk is what we do on DU muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #70

Some people have made it clear they don't want others to talk. Remmah2 Jan 2013 #73

You could, of course, quit questioning fellow DU members as to Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #71

You, you, you! You're overdue for re-education camp too! Remmah2 Jan 2013 #74

Remmah2 was the one who brought up parties muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #75

No problem. Remmah2 Jan 2013 #86

Too bad your memory is short and life experience so little. Remmah2 Jan 2013 #61

The NRA is also opposed to any regulations on gun sales. And please tell me what measures the NRA Erose999 Jan 2013 #65

I'm not an NRA obsessionist. Remmah2 Jan 2013 #69

None & that includes sales in their Bushmaster markets in foreign countries. Link: patrice Jan 2013 #103

Oh about 0.0000000001% in a single year. nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #95

Hmm...you cite a massacre right across from the US border, where the Mexicans joeybee12 Jan 2013 #3

Well, if someone is going to cite Australia as a model for our gun laws... derby378 Jan 2013 #4

Yup, and people are going to cite other developed countries with gun control intaglio Jan 2013 #7

Multishot military weapons lyford Jan 2013 #21

We were at war and your point being?? neverforget Jan 2013 #22

Just clarifying lyford Jan 2013 #23

Not at home for target work intaglio Jan 2013 #29

what you're saying appears to me to be a valid point! samsingh Jan 2013 #32

The rifle was a bolt-action which was state of the art in WWI. Stone-age compared to an AR-15 though Erose999 Jan 2013 #68

Australia curbed mass shootings since the ban. it works rustydog Jan 2013 #87

Once again one corporal hardly a unit makes nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #91

Large areas of Mexico are in a state of near-anarchy, run by violent drug cartels. Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #9

That's because the cartels sell drugs in America and buy assault weapons over the counter RomneyLies Jan 2013 #13

And cannabis is on track for massive legalization here, so there's a fight for what's going to patrice Jan 2013 #104

Ah ok, let's just do nothing then. MrSlayer Jan 2013 #16

No one wants to see your NRA terrorist propaganda on here. nt Comrade_McKenzie Jan 2013 #17

An OLD STORY.... NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 #19

90% of the illegal guns in Mexico come from the US. Last Stand Jan 2013 #24

"90% of the illegal guns in Mexico come from the US." EX500rider Jan 2013 #89

This must be the latest talking point. nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #92

Doesn't this kind of shred the notion that "more guns = less gun deaths & more safer environment"? JaneyVee Jan 2013 #25

Yup Victor_c3 Jan 2013 #36

Because other than firearms, Mexico is a fucking PARADISE Jeff In Milwaukee Jan 2013 #26

So Drug Cartel Violence = Mass School Shootings Kalidurga Jan 2013 #28

You're hardly a n00b so your OP has to be trolling Fumesucker Jan 2013 #35

Very Perceptive. Thanks, Fumesucker. (nt) Paladin Jan 2013 #40

And *where* are the Mexican drug gangs getting their weapons? baldguy Jan 2013 #37

The Zetas sure as hell didn't need to go over the border... derby378 Jan 2013 #39

So your point is that renegade US army units will still have weapons? muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #45

Wrong One Corporal does not make a unit. nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #50

Oh, please... derby378 Jan 2013 #55

Oh please I have done the research nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #57

You know we haven't had one of these locally quaker bill Jan 2013 #38

You know where most of those guns are coming from? nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #48

At least we're dealing with this whole Fast and Furious situation derby378 Jan 2013 #58

The number of guns that crossed in that nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #59

It was still enough to get that border guard killed, regardless of the percentage derby378 Jan 2013 #60

At least you admit where most guns originate. nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #63

"fast and furious" was debunked last year AgingAmerican Jan 2013 #72

And a better than even chance... gcomeau Jan 2013 #52

Derby ... Trajan Jan 2013 #53

How do you propose to solve the problem? Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #54

Mexican Drug Cartels get their assault weapons from US gun shops and dealers jpak Jan 2013 #64

You mean they get them from the ATF. Undaunted Jan 2013 #78

Bullshit GOP/NRA talking points jpak Jan 2013 #88

I will be kind. nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #90

Well then we should all just give up! Agschmid Jan 2013 #67

Mexico? Really? lol. DireStrike Jan 2013 #77

Yep, this is relevant because the USA is exactly like Mexico in so many ways... TroglodyteScholar Jan 2013 #80

Damn Mexican gun makers! moondust Jan 2013 #98

What the fuck does a ban mean when we have stuff like Fast and Furious going on? & THAT'S patrice Jan 2013 #102