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bluedigger

(17,085 posts)
42. You make some good points.
Thu Jan 17, 2013, 05:54 PM
Jan 2013

First, I do support buy back programs as part of the answer. I'm not sure what you consider a "good chunk", but 10% might be an attainable goal - I haven't seen any $ numbers, but it is a substantial amount I guess.

You have a good point about guns and their lifespan in criminal hands. But it doesn't restrict the existing "legal" supply waiting to be criminalized. I could still support lower mag capacities on new sales and manufacture, but not on existing handguns.

I still think we should focus legislation on possession and transfer of firearms, rather than technical capabilities in most respects, as a way to solve our problems with gun violence here. Part of that should involve registration and reclassification of firearms into more types, with appropriate sales and transfer fees. If we want to get guns off the street we need to make the black market gun culture unprofitable.

Because if a 30 round mag Frazzul Jan 2013 #1
Oh lookee here Hugabear Jan 2013 #6
Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #16
...only if the police have them uponit7771 Jan 2013 #12
New here, but yes, only trained law enforcement should have guns. azalia Jan 2013 #32
Right. They can be completely trusted shadowrider Jan 2013 #54
30 round mags don't save lives, they take them. EOTE Jan 2013 #38
not at the cost of more lives samsingh Jan 2013 #51
Can we include the police in this discussion? davidn3600 Jan 2013 #2
It does if the suspect has a 30-round clip (nt) Jeff In Milwaukee Jan 2013 #4
to shoot nutters? Really, I'd like the nutters to be way LESS armed than the police uponit7771 Jan 2013 #13
I don't think police are great shots even with practice Mojorabbit Jan 2013 #24
that's why a 12-gauge is better for home defense frylock Jan 2013 #61
Hunters need them flyingfysh Jan 2013 #3
One reason: Target Shooting Jeff In Milwaukee Jan 2013 #5
Target shooting? Really? Hugabear Jan 2013 #9
I'm just saying... Jeff In Milwaukee Jan 2013 #11
You forget shooting competitions socialindependocrat Jan 2013 #26
There's a much easier solution jeff47 Jan 2013 #28
I think you are overestimating the size of most ranges Travis_0004 Jan 2013 #85
I'm still waiting for a difficult to solve problem.... jeff47 Jan 2013 #91
But if everybody has to reload it's a level playing field, isn't it? longship Jan 2013 #36
Again, you're not a competition shooter socialindependocrat Jan 2013 #43
Fine, I accept that. longship Jan 2013 #46
I get your point socialindependocrat Jan 2013 #49
Thank you, friend. longship Jan 2013 #50
I was going to add - Thanks for not calling me names... socialindependocrat Jan 2013 #57
Counting is a pisser! pkdu Jan 2013 #53
No, really - here's the thing.... socialindependocrat Jan 2013 #60
So, if the magazines were limited to 10 or 7 or 5 rounds JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2013 #97
Don't be naive! Why would I drop my guard when surrounded by those Target scum! Bucky Jan 2013 #66
I think that would be a reasonable limitation. NCTraveler Jan 2013 #7
Why 7? Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #8
Better than 5 which is what Vermont is going to propose shadowrider Jan 2013 #55
Most decent shooters can drop the empty and pop in a new one NightWatcher Jan 2013 #10
Yeap, and a fast runner can do almost 30 feet in 1.5 seconds from start so that seems about right.. uponit7771 Jan 2013 #14
Extended shoot outs are pretty rare, especially in self defense situations. bluedigger Jan 2013 #15
Not that hard to fix jeff47 Jan 2013 #30
"we could attempt to retrofit pistol magazines with plugs" bluedigger Jan 2013 #35
Depends on how you roll it out jeff47 Jan 2013 #37
You make some good points. bluedigger Jan 2013 #42
That existing supply would still flow out jeff47 Jan 2013 #44
I think we are talking around each other somewhat. bluedigger Jan 2013 #47
We don't need all of them to flow out. jeff47 Jan 2013 #96
Hunting with Cheney? n/t hughee99 Jan 2013 #17
i can think of one right off the top of my head melm00se Jan 2013 #18
Well then, they would just have to adjust. Hugabear Jan 2013 #19
only in NYS is that a requirement melm00se Jan 2013 #21
So let licensed ranges own and keep extended magazines jeff47 Jan 2013 #31
How about a hypothetical? sylvi Jan 2013 #20
The correct question is whether an individual's interest in having more than 7 bullets is outweighed onenote Jan 2013 #22
What will you do if 8 people attack you with bananas? dogknob Jan 2013 #23
I don't like this idea and here is why. sofa king Jan 2013 #25
Just have a trade-in program jeff47 Jan 2013 #34
Why would I want to trade in my 15-round magazine for one with half the capacity? Bake Jan 2013 #64
Well, if you're dumb enough to not take part in such a program jeff47 Jan 2013 #92
Helping to slaughter schoolchildren! Bake Jan 2013 #101
You don't have to take them away jberryhill Jan 2013 #82
Why? Crepuscular Jan 2013 #27
Fear bongbong Jan 2013 #29
I have a military issue Browning 1900 semi-automatic that Bonhomme Richard Jan 2013 #33
So do I... k2qb3 Jan 2013 #40
Why, you ask? SayWut Jan 2013 #39
Che Guevara's M1 Carbine had 15-round magazines slackmaster Jan 2013 #41
He was shooting people for a good cause. nt hack89 Jan 2013 #45
I'm sure that the people he murdered all died thinking of him as a hero slackmaster Jan 2013 #88
So? tama Jan 2013 #105
So Hugabear's opposition to people having firearms that hold more than 7 rounds is hypocritical slackmaster Jan 2013 #106
I don't "need" a pistol magazine that holds 7+ rounds. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #48
Nothing, at all, notta, in those 23 EO's dealt with shadowrider Jan 2013 #56
Gang-related homicides represent 6% of all homicides. Robb Jan 2013 #62
But most homicides are still done by those with criminal records. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #69
74%. A tiny fraction of whom are in gangs. Robb Jan 2013 #70
Because the supplied magazines hold 10... Deep13 Jan 2013 #52
FWIW - you could keep the Beretta, just can't load more then 7 unless at a jmg257 Jan 2013 #59
My understanding is residents have a year to get rid of noncomplying items. nt Deep13 Jan 2013 #74
True, butl exisitng 10rounders are legal, they just can't contain more then 7. jmg257 Jan 2013 #75
Well, they're legal for a year. nt Deep13 Jan 2013 #81
They are not a large capacity feeding device if 10 rounds purchased jmg257 Jan 2013 #83
Because 8 makes en-bloc loading an M1 Garand much easier. jmg257 Jan 2013 #58
My dad told me this (regarding home defense) ecstatic Jan 2013 #63
The Harry Callahan paradigm. Robb Jan 2013 #72
So Crepuscular Jan 2013 #65
What if 8 zombies were coming after you? NewJeffCT Jan 2013 #67
Then carry two guns with 7 bullets each. Incitatus Jan 2013 #84
When I was active on Peak Oil forums tama Jan 2013 #107
What do I do if my revolver holds more than 7? Glassunion Jan 2013 #68
Nothing. Nt jmg257 Jan 2013 #77
You might want to ask a cop why his Glock has more than 7 bullets in it at all times. n/t L0oniX Jan 2013 #71
Because he's a cop? JoePhilly Jan 2013 #93
No. It's because I like to have people here try to reframe everything. n/t L0oniX Jan 2013 #98
New idea ... let's ask law enforcement which weapons they think civilians JoePhilly Jan 2013 #100
pffft L0oniX Jan 2013 #102
such deep analysis. JoePhilly Jan 2013 #103
Simple math. Heimer Jan 2013 #73
Barney Fife never needed more than one. baldguy Jan 2013 #76
As often as they want to kill/maim more than indepat Jan 2013 #78
I guess you've never tried to take one of these down... snooper2 Jan 2013 #79
Frank Drebin would have been lost Separation Jan 2013 #80
And this is exactly why arbitrary limits are undesirable. krispos42 Jan 2013 #86
They Miss a Lot AndyTiedye Jan 2013 #87
Because you might want to shoot more than 7 times before reloading The Second Stone Jan 2013 #89
I believe 7 was my number :) backwoodsbob Jan 2013 #90
I'm a bad shot and so its easier if I can just spray bullets in all directions JoePhilly Jan 2013 #94
It all comes down to their "Fighting off The Gubmit" fantasies. Odin2005 Jan 2013 #95
We *need* Puha Ekapi Jan 2013 #99
A 7 round limit will have no effect on the number of murders. immoderate Jan 2013 #104
The main reason people need a magazine that can hold more than 7 bullets ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #108
It isn't a question of "need more than 7 bullets at a time" bobclark86 Jan 2013 #109
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