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Motown_Johnny

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10. speculate all you want, the numbers speak for themselves

Reply to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 05:28 PM

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Mexico bans "assault weapons;" mass shootings fall to - oh, wait... [View all] derby378 Jan 2013 OP

This message was self-deleted by its author Drunken Irishman Jan 2013 #1

scraping the bottom of the barrel with this one aren't ya? Motown_Johnny Jan 2013 #2

Come back to me with overall homicide trends instead of cherry-picked data derby378 Jan 2013 #5

we are talking about specific legislation, stop trying to obscure the issue Motown_Johnny Jan 2013 #6

Australia bans assault weapons...read prime ministers letter in NY Times rustydog Jan 2013 #83

What weapons were used? Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2013 #8

speculate all you want, the numbers speak for themselves Motown_Johnny Jan 2013 #10

Except they don' Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2013 #11

you are cherry picking and using far to small a timeframe Motown_Johnny Jan 2013 #12

How can it be cherry-picking to ask which weapons were used? Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2013 #14

I didn't make the graph Motown_Johnny Jan 2013 #20

"it is reasonable to suppose that it would continue grow in effect the longer it existed." Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2013 #33

There have been EarthWindFire Jan 2013 #81

You are right, a ban on assault weapons is not enough. But it's a good start. Hoyt Jan 2013 #27

You have to start somewhere rustydog Jan 2013 #76

I know, if you can't name every little internal part you can't express an opinion on guns in society Hoyt Jan 2013 #85

Does this help? bighart Jan 2013 #41

Then they should be banning hammers. Remmah2 Jan 2013 #42

That is always a bogus argument. randome Jan 2013 #79

Children are being slaughtered in the inner cities, many more by handguns. Remmah2 Jan 2013 #84

One of the EOs is to study the cause of violence. Maybe something can come from that. randome Jan 2013 #94

How many mass killings have there been with hammers in the last 30 years or so? ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #101

Hasn't this graph been debunked many times on this board> nt Mojorabbit Jan 2013 #15

not that I am aware of, if so I will self delete Motown_Johnny Jan 2013 #18

Here is one of the threads that discusses it Mojorabbit Jan 2013 #96

I don't see anything that debunks the graphic Motown_Johnny Jan 2013 #97

I guess what I am saying is that Mojorabbit Jan 2013 #99

In the very short term, yes. But supplies run out Motown_Johnny Jan 2013 #100

does that graph say the backwoodsbob Jan 2013 #30

the average is EarthWindFire Jan 2013 #82

exact;ly, the evidence shows that the AWBan works samsingh Jan 2013 #31

What the graph says is Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2013 #34

there are other graphs that show a decrease in gun crime after the bill was adopted and an increase samsingh Jan 2013 #93

How many of those were ATF supplied weapons? Remmah2 Jan 2013 #43

Cool NRA talking point, bro (nt) muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #44

The NRA is opposed to illegal gun sales. Remmah2 Jan 2013 #46

Cool NRA talking point, bro, and that goes for #42 as well, of course (nt) muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #47

Thank you comrade. Remmah2 Jan 2013 #49

All joking aside, do you have any connection to the Democratic Party? muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #51

Do you? I see little evidence. Show some. nt Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #56

Search for "muriel_volestrangler" "obama"; you'll find plenty of my posts supporting him muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #62

Talk is cheap. Remmah2 Jan 2013 #66

Talk is what we do on DU muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #70

Some people have made it clear they don't want others to talk. Remmah2 Jan 2013 #73

You could, of course, quit questioning fellow DU members as to Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #71

You, you, you! You're overdue for re-education camp too! Remmah2 Jan 2013 #74

Remmah2 was the one who brought up parties muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #75

No problem. Remmah2 Jan 2013 #86

Too bad your memory is short and life experience so little. Remmah2 Jan 2013 #61

The NRA is also opposed to any regulations on gun sales. And please tell me what measures the NRA Erose999 Jan 2013 #65

I'm not an NRA obsessionist. Remmah2 Jan 2013 #69

None & that includes sales in their Bushmaster markets in foreign countries. Link: patrice Jan 2013 #103

Oh about 0.0000000001% in a single year. nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #95

Hmm...you cite a massacre right across from the US border, where the Mexicans joeybee12 Jan 2013 #3

Well, if someone is going to cite Australia as a model for our gun laws... derby378 Jan 2013 #4

Yup, and people are going to cite other developed countries with gun control intaglio Jan 2013 #7

Multishot military weapons lyford Jan 2013 #21

We were at war and your point being?? neverforget Jan 2013 #22

Just clarifying lyford Jan 2013 #23

Not at home for target work intaglio Jan 2013 #29

what you're saying appears to me to be a valid point! samsingh Jan 2013 #32

The rifle was a bolt-action which was state of the art in WWI. Stone-age compared to an AR-15 though Erose999 Jan 2013 #68

Australia curbed mass shootings since the ban. it works rustydog Jan 2013 #87

Once again one corporal hardly a unit makes nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #91

Large areas of Mexico are in a state of near-anarchy, run by violent drug cartels. Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #9

That's because the cartels sell drugs in America and buy assault weapons over the counter RomneyLies Jan 2013 #13

And cannabis is on track for massive legalization here, so there's a fight for what's going to patrice Jan 2013 #104

Ah ok, let's just do nothing then. MrSlayer Jan 2013 #16

No one wants to see your NRA terrorist propaganda on here. nt Comrade_McKenzie Jan 2013 #17

An OLD STORY.... NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 #19

90% of the illegal guns in Mexico come from the US. Last Stand Jan 2013 #24

"90% of the illegal guns in Mexico come from the US." EX500rider Jan 2013 #89

This must be the latest talking point. nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #92

Doesn't this kind of shred the notion that "more guns = less gun deaths & more safer environment"? JaneyVee Jan 2013 #25

Yup Victor_c3 Jan 2013 #36

Because other than firearms, Mexico is a fucking PARADISE Jeff In Milwaukee Jan 2013 #26

So Drug Cartel Violence = Mass School Shootings Kalidurga Jan 2013 #28

You're hardly a n00b so your OP has to be trolling Fumesucker Jan 2013 #35

Very Perceptive. Thanks, Fumesucker. (nt) Paladin Jan 2013 #40

And *where* are the Mexican drug gangs getting their weapons? baldguy Jan 2013 #37

The Zetas sure as hell didn't need to go over the border... derby378 Jan 2013 #39

So your point is that renegade US army units will still have weapons? muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #45

Wrong One Corporal does not make a unit. nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #50

Oh, please... derby378 Jan 2013 #55

Oh please I have done the research nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #57

You know we haven't had one of these locally quaker bill Jan 2013 #38

You know where most of those guns are coming from? nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #48

At least we're dealing with this whole Fast and Furious situation derby378 Jan 2013 #58

The number of guns that crossed in that nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #59

It was still enough to get that border guard killed, regardless of the percentage derby378 Jan 2013 #60

At least you admit where most guns originate. nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #63

"fast and furious" was debunked last year AgingAmerican Jan 2013 #72

And a better than even chance... gcomeau Jan 2013 #52

Derby ... Trajan Jan 2013 #53

How do you propose to solve the problem? Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #54

Mexican Drug Cartels get their assault weapons from US gun shops and dealers jpak Jan 2013 #64

You mean they get them from the ATF. Undaunted Jan 2013 #78

Bullshit GOP/NRA talking points jpak Jan 2013 #88

I will be kind. nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #90

Well then we should all just give up! Agschmid Jan 2013 #67

Mexico? Really? lol. DireStrike Jan 2013 #77

Yep, this is relevant because the USA is exactly like Mexico in so many ways... TroglodyteScholar Jan 2013 #80

Damn Mexican gun makers! moondust Jan 2013 #98

What the fuck does a ban mean when we have stuff like Fast and Furious going on? & THAT'S patrice Jan 2013 #102