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jwirr

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19. Absolutely. At the beginning of the industrial age London had problems because of burning coal.

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Wed Jan 16, 2013, 04:14 PM

Jan 2013

I wonder if that era compared to this in any way?

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The Smog In China Should Terrify You [View all] octoberlib Jan 2013 OP

beyond absurd tk2kewl Jan 2013 #1

This is the poisonous fruit of the "free trade" tree. Romulox Jan 2013 #2

+1,000 freshwest Jan 2013 #13

Absolutely. At the beginning of the industrial age London had problems because of burning coal. jwirr Jan 2013 #19

Very much so. And believe it or not, some big wigs here supported moving the polluting industries freshwest Jan 2013 #23

+One Jillion. You are so right on, fresh! BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2013 #60

There was a poison fog in London in 1952 csziggy Jan 2013 #39

much of migration from Britain to America was because of polluted cities bigtree Jan 2013 #67

If you dig on the BBC radio sites somewhere you'll find a great 60th anniversary series about it Blue_Tires Jan 2013 #70

Yes, free trade outsources our pollution to other countries... prairierose Jan 2013 #54

It's even worse--if the stuff were made here, it would be under our standards. Romulox Jan 2013 #55

Exactly and that is another big reason that ... prairierose Jan 2013 #69

China has the capability of moving fast on things like this. randome Jan 2013 #3

Wouldn't that be Chernobyl? Fumesucker Jan 2013 #8

Forgot about that little 'incident'. randome Jan 2013 #18

Ur was abandoned AngryAmish Jan 2013 #21

No money to be made in cleaning it up siligut Jan 2013 #47

It's absurd to think this much pollution doesn't have an effect on the global environment Hugabear Jan 2013 #4

That's why international agreements and enforcement are needed. moondust Jan 2013 #12

Yes, we will be drawn together, we need to work on how to do it. freshwest Jan 2013 #14

we'll pull together datasuspect Jan 2013 #16

Climate Change bongbong Jan 2013 #33

Keep your friends close, and your tasty friends closer Kennah Jan 2013 #56

In 19th Century Britain, smog was considered an emblem of success Bucky Jan 2013 #5

When I got a job at a steel mill in Chicago the sky was filkled with smoke. former9thward Jan 2013 #9

sweep yer chimbley guv? datasuspect Jan 2013 #17

See? So-called "polluters" are really job creators! I call them heroes. Bucky Jan 2013 #46

No doubt the Chinese environmental movement is gaining great strength from this Uncle Joe Jan 2013 #31

But it's so CHEAP to manufacture goods in China! RomneyLies Jan 2013 #6

Walmart G_j Jan 2013 #7

At least we have our cool iPhones! hugo_from_TN Jan 2013 #22

Not just the air. bighart Jan 2013 #65

In November, 2003 my husband and I LibertyLover Jan 2013 #10

Well now she is already almost 10 years older...and I'll bet healthy as can be. Auntie Bush Jan 2013 #20

She is indeed hale and hearty and healthy LibertyLover Jan 2013 #53

Wow. Fantastic. Bless you. Gregorian Jan 2013 #26

Thank you but LibertyLover Jan 2013 #52

but see, that's ok because your "selfish" desire motivated you to do something Good. BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2013 #61

That is a fascinating way of looking at it - LibertyLover Jan 2013 #64

I love your comment. It makes sense. Gregorian Jan 2013 #87

that would be here if laruemtt Jan 2013 #11

It certainly does. kenny blankenship Jan 2013 #15

title should be 'check out america under republican dominance' leftyohiolib Jan 2013 #24

If America wants to bring its manufacturing base back home, GliderGuider Jan 2013 #28

This is not the case. We know what we have to do, and it can be done. Hekate Jan 2013 #42

So remind me again how much the Republican LOVE them some EPA? Sheepshank Jan 2013 #25

This is the entirely expected pinnacle of GlobCiv 1.0 GliderGuider Jan 2013 #27

Respiratory disorders must be off the charts there. lpbk2713 Jan 2013 #29

Wheres the friggin outrage? bunnies Jan 2013 #30

This is the real geopolitics of power in action. GliderGuider Jan 2013 #36

They could complain kenny blankenship Jan 2013 #72

London had its "pea soup fog" in the 19th century; Los Angeles had its smog in the 20th Hekate Jan 2013 #32

In both cases, the price of cleaning up the air was the loss of global economic dominance GliderGuider Jan 2013 #35

I don't think this is the case. The sun setting on the British Empire had nothing to do with... Hekate Jan 2013 #41

I understand why you think that way. GliderGuider Jan 2013 #49

+1 ellisonz Jan 2013 #57

I remember flying to London in the '80s. RebelOne Jan 2013 #37

They are a foggy city, as I understand it. "Pea soup fog" had a lot of coal smoke in it. Hekate Jan 2013 #40

For London at least the coal smoke was the main culprit - and went back centuries. whopis01 Jan 2013 #66

That's from burning our coal n/t doc03 Jan 2013 #34

How bizarre, since China is a continent with many natural resources of its own Hekate Jan 2013 #43

They do buy a lot of our coal, coal fired plants in this country have doc03 Jan 2013 #45

WOW Day has become Night lovuian Jan 2013 #38

Who needs regulations malaise Jan 2013 #44

That looks like Los Angeles in the early 60's. I remember. Gregorian Jan 2013 #48

As bad as it is in China, the smog in Donora, PA in 1948 may have been worse.... OldDem2012 Jan 2013 #50

That pollution ends up in the US panader0 Jan 2013 #51

Yep. Xithras Jan 2013 #78

tell me about it shanti Jan 2013 #83

Maybe the Maya got it correct Kennah Jan 2013 #58

Nah...not really. AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #62

One thing different this time, it's scientists, not clergy, predicting bad things to come Kennah Jan 2013 #88

Yes, but not on the level of apocalypse, as some have routinely claimed. AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #90

Nice pictures. That is what progress looks like to the republicans! n/t Victor_c3 Jan 2013 #59

There was another threat on this that I posted on davidpdx Jan 2013 #63

I was in Wuxi back in 2009 hogwyld Jan 2013 #86

It is only going to get worse davidpdx Jan 2013 #92

I feel sick just looking at that. Odin2005 Jan 2013 #68

This is not China's air. This is everyone's air, planetwide. Air knows no borders. Coyotl Jan 2013 #71

Anything we or Europe do about greenhouse gases is a drop in the bucket KamaAina Jan 2013 #77

This is the cost of unchecked economic growth. Undaunted Jan 2013 #73

Welcome to DU, up to 3 posts already! Agschmid Jan 2013 #74

Yeah I've been lurking for a while, finally decided to make an account. Undaunted Jan 2013 #75

Lurked long time, but now posting a new post every 90 seconds!! Talk about Undaunted!! Melinda Jan 2013 #81

I'm glad you like my screen name. Undaunted Jan 2013 #82

Thanks Skinner! Agschmid Jan 2013 #85

This could be the United States liberal N proud Jan 2013 #76

This WAS the United States Xithras Jan 2013 #80

1965 my parents moved to So Cal. The air was awful then Hekate Jan 2013 #84

We visited my parent's friend in Santa Monica in the mid-60s. kwassa Jan 2013 #89

Deregulate and this is what you get. aquart Jan 2013 #79

Sad, but true. AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #91