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What's 'LEO'? nt tblue Jan 2013 #1
Law Enforcement Officers, I believe. TheCowsCameHome Jan 2013 #2
Yep, Law Enforcement Officer Taverner Jan 2013 #3
Then why was Weaver exonerated and given a huge settlement? Recursion Jan 2013 #4
Weaver started firing first. That alone should be enough. Taverner Jan 2013 #5
The Marshalls claimed that, Weaver claimed the opposite. The jury believed Weaver Recursion Jan 2013 #6
The Marshalls likely lied Ter Jan 2013 #10
Why that man wasn't convicted of murder for shooting Vicky nick of time Jan 2013 #13
I'll take the word of a LEO over a racist nutbag any day nt Taverner Jan 2013 #18
I truly wish I could concur with your reasoning tabasco Jan 2013 #22
You are an authoritarian. former9thward Jan 2013 #24
Nope. But when it comes to crazy racist vs several cops with same story Taverner Jan 2013 #34
"several cops with same story" former9thward Jan 2013 #46
Perhaps you should read the trial transcripts nick of time Jan 2013 #9
I doubt anyone could vouch for weaver's character, and Spencer couldn't put that racist POS on stand Hoyt Jan 2013 #52
Weaver's character was nothing more than a racist asshole. nick of time Jan 2013 #55
Not true. nick of time Jan 2013 #14
Accounts vary. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #37
it was a settlement: the case never went to trial struggle4progress Jan 2013 #73
Weaver's case against the US was settled Recursion Jan 2013 #94
If weaver hadn't sold illegal guns in hopes of racist ayran nation using them against innocents, Hoyt Jan 2013 #28
He was acquitted on all those charges, too Recursion Jan 2013 #29
If we had gerry spence and an army of racist/gun lawyers behind us, we could get off from anything. Hoyt Jan 2013 #39
Gerry Spence was just a damn good trial lawyer. Bake Jan 2013 #80
I'm just not steeped in guns and ruby ridge cess pool stuff. Hoyt Jan 2013 #81
If people want to live as extremists, then they should expect to die as extremists... Comrade_McKenzie Jan 2013 #7
He's a free man today, and his family is $4 million richer Recursion Jan 2013 #8
Jury Nullification happens n/t RomneyLies Jan 2013 #40
Can we add Wounded Knee to your OP? Downwinder Jan 2013 #11
No but we can add Battle of the Network Stars Taverner Jan 2013 #19
Please tell me you're referring to the 1970s one, Hayabusa Jan 2013 #50
AIM 1973. Downwinder Jan 2013 #63
Ghost Dance sure was dangerous Hayabusa Jan 2013 #65
With the assistance of the US Army Downwinder Jan 2013 #69
Ouch... Hayabusa Jan 2013 #70
LEOs could have picked up Koresh at a local gas station Rex Jan 2013 #12
Look at these photos. This is America. Men, woman and children. There was no trial DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Jan 2013 #15
Yes they were executed. 99Forever Jan 2013 #30
Are you OK with tanks running through American citizens homes before they even get a trial? DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Jan 2013 #47
Hogwash. 99Forever Jan 2013 #54
So do you believe it's OK for LEO to run tanks through American citizens homes DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Jan 2013 #62
I believe that when.. 99Forever Jan 2013 #72
There's my answer. DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Jan 2013 #85
So it's okay for LEO to run a TANK through your house? With children inside? Th1onein Jan 2013 #88
Since I don't rape children... 99Forever Jan 2013 #96
I'm not defending him. I'm not saying he was innocent or guilty. And you can't either. Th1onein Jan 2013 #98
And by the way, I'm not a libertarian. Th1onein Jan 2013 #99
You don't hole up and dodge a lawful warrant jberryhill Jan 2013 #79
Notice the headline - Mass Suicide. NutmegYankee Jan 2013 #84
The LEOs disagree with you ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #16
Who said it isn't? Taverner Jan 2013 #17
At Ruby Ridge alone, 12 FBI agents were disciplined for misconduct ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #20
That's all because this blew up politically Taverner Jan 2013 #21
No, they didn't have every right to. That's why they were disciplined and the Weavers got $4 million Recursion Jan 2013 #23
Absolutely you are correct! These very things are the kind of things that make people afraid of DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Jan 2013 #48
Where have I heard that term before..."mistakes were made" ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #25
Hanging with ayran nation racists, and raping women dang sure is. And neither was "raided" Hoyt Jan 2013 #42
I guess you forgot the part where ATF showed up in cattle cars without a warrant... beevul Jan 2013 #57
Sat outside 51 days before doing a dang thing. Presence of guns clouds your mind. Hoyt Jan 2013 #59
History isn't your strong point, Nor, would it appear, is accuracy. beevul Jan 2013 #86
Sure, because shooting a young boy in the back is always a just and reasonable thing to do. Th1onein Jan 2013 #89
The NRA-bots are out in force! bongbong Jan 2013 #26
Yep, "Randy Weaver was an UHMURICAN HERO!!!" Taverner Jan 2013 #31
Randy Weaver was not an american hero. nick of time Jan 2013 #45
Nobody in this thread has said anything good about Weaver Recursion Jan 2013 #49
Agree with poster above. Everybody seems to be saying the opposite of that RZM Jan 2013 #53
Kinda strange. DanTex Jan 2013 #67
The only anger it provokes from me is how the Govt. forces nick of time Jan 2013 #71
But why this one incident from 20 years ago? DanTex Jan 2013 #75
I'm not angry about it anymore. nick of time Jan 2013 #76
Well, not you specifically. DanTex Jan 2013 #77
Probably. nick of time Jan 2013 #78
It shows that one of their most cherished myths .... bongbong Jan 2013 #105
Wrong. zappaman Jan 2013 #27
lawful neutral alignment? watch the sky Jan 2013 #32
Ooh - at 60 posts sowing discord? Taverner Jan 2013 #35
there are more cops around than other LEOs watch the sky Jan 2013 #41
Yes, actually, I do expect LE to "play nice" petronius Jan 2013 #33
I particularly expect snipers not to shoot unarmed women holding babies Recursion Jan 2013 #36
Bingo. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #38
If the racist gun nut - weaver - had acted responsibily, Horiuchi would not be hated by gun culture. Hoyt Jan 2013 #43
I don't disagree. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #44
agree with Waco. And it was the masses inside that were the problem, not Koresh himself graham4anything Jan 2013 #51
If that's true, one could hypothesize that Reno's concerns about child abuse might have been patrice Jan 2013 #58
looking back in retrospect Hillary's saying rightwing conspiracy was 100% true in all of this graham4anything Jan 2013 #87
Though I have not thought of all of that this way, it makes sense. I will think about it some more. patrice Jan 2013 #93
They didn't have it coming. & FBI/ATF/LEO are not blameless. Without more specific patrice Jan 2013 #56
Didn't the government have to give millions to the Weavers because the courts... Taitertots Jan 2013 #60
I guess, re: Waco, Reno had never heard of a "siege"? Not to mention that DK went jogging each a.m. WinkyDink Jan 2013 #61
This message was self-deleted by its author NNN0LHI Jan 2013 #64
Shooting a child in the back? Burning small children to death? Good treatment? Th1onein Jan 2013 #90
What I want to know is why so many pro-gunners seem to be experts on Ruby Ridge. DanTex Jan 2013 #66
I know so much about it because when it first happened nick of time Jan 2013 #74
Ever Seen One Of The Threads About Shooting Down Jetliners? Paladin Jan 2013 #97
Why don't you post some links if you think it's important? friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #103
Wow. Iggo Jan 2013 #68
There are crazy individuals that can be violent but PufPuf23 Jan 2013 #82
Yep, our government is always right when it kills people Union Scribe Jan 2013 #83
Racist teabaggers deserve exactly what they got. Bodega Bandit Jan 2013 #91
You know Weaver lived and got $4 million, right? Recursion Jan 2013 #95
Woowee...I bet he wears only 1600 thread count sheets nowadays! Tom Ripley Jan 2013 #101
Bwah Recursion Jan 2013 #102
Thanks :) Tom Ripley Jan 2013 #104
For those familiar with these incidents, the claim in the OP is silly (nt) Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #92
Yahweh or the highway! Tom Ripley Jan 2013 #100
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