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In reply to the discussion: The FBI, ATF and LEO were blameless in Waco and Ruby Ridge [View all]nick of time
(651 posts)76. I'm not angry about it anymore.
New guidelines are in place to see that this never happens again in the way it went down.
What does bother me is that not one FBI or ATF agent were held accountable for the lies told at Weavers trial or the congressional hearings, but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.
Like you said, it was 20 years ago.
Did you know that Randy Weaver was given a court date that was wrong? His actual court date was a month earlier than what he was told?
Randy was a racist asshole, but Vicky, Sammy, and Marshal Degan sure didn't deserve to die.
I just take great umbrage when something like this OP.
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The Marshalls claimed that, Weaver claimed the opposite. The jury believed Weaver
Recursion
Jan 2013
#6
I doubt anyone could vouch for weaver's character, and Spencer couldn't put that racist POS on stand
Hoyt
Jan 2013
#52
If weaver hadn't sold illegal guns in hopes of racist ayran nation using them against innocents,
Hoyt
Jan 2013
#28
If we had gerry spence and an army of racist/gun lawyers behind us, we could get off from anything.
Hoyt
Jan 2013
#39
If people want to live as extremists, then they should expect to die as extremists...
Comrade_McKenzie
Jan 2013
#7
Look at these photos. This is America. Men, woman and children. There was no trial
DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav
Jan 2013
#15
Are you OK with tanks running through American citizens homes before they even get a trial?
DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav
Jan 2013
#47
So do you believe it's OK for LEO to run tanks through American citizens homes
DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav
Jan 2013
#62
I'm not defending him. I'm not saying he was innocent or guilty. And you can't either.
Th1onein
Jan 2013
#98
At Ruby Ridge alone, 12 FBI agents were disciplined for misconduct
ProgressiveProfessor
Jan 2013
#20
No, they didn't have every right to. That's why they were disciplined and the Weavers got $4 million
Recursion
Jan 2013
#23
Absolutely you are correct! These very things are the kind of things that make people afraid of
DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav
Jan 2013
#48
Hanging with ayran nation racists, and raping women dang sure is. And neither was "raided"
Hoyt
Jan 2013
#42
I guess you forgot the part where ATF showed up in cattle cars without a warrant...
beevul
Jan 2013
#57
Sure, because shooting a young boy in the back is always a just and reasonable thing to do.
Th1onein
Jan 2013
#89
If the racist gun nut - weaver - had acted responsibily, Horiuchi would not be hated by gun culture.
Hoyt
Jan 2013
#43
agree with Waco. And it was the masses inside that were the problem, not Koresh himself
graham4anything
Jan 2013
#51
If that's true, one could hypothesize that Reno's concerns about child abuse might have been
patrice
Jan 2013
#58
looking back in retrospect Hillary's saying rightwing conspiracy was 100% true in all of this
graham4anything
Jan 2013
#87
Though I have not thought of all of that this way, it makes sense. I will think about it some more.
patrice
Jan 2013
#93
They didn't have it coming. & FBI/ATF/LEO are not blameless. Without more specific
patrice
Jan 2013
#56
Didn't the government have to give millions to the Weavers because the courts...
Taitertots
Jan 2013
#60
I guess, re: Waco, Reno had never heard of a "siege"? Not to mention that DK went jogging each a.m.
WinkyDink
Jan 2013
#61
Shooting a child in the back? Burning small children to death? Good treatment?
Th1onein
Jan 2013
#90
What I want to know is why so many pro-gunners seem to be experts on Ruby Ridge.
DanTex
Jan 2013
#66