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In reply to the discussion: Experts Fear Collapse of Global Civilisation [View all]AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)234. I'm pretty concerned as well, Sam.
Honestly, there really are many people out there who share our concerns.....but I wouldn't quite go so far as to bet my money on global collapse, as some might. Certainly, though, there will be some long-term challenges we'll have to face, and there may not be much time to have a good chance of avoiding a 2*C rise by 2100.
There may be some hope, though, as some solutions are available:
http://www.skepticalscience.com/solving-global-warming-not-easy-but-not-too-hard.html
The Pacala & Sokolow paper discussed here is a little oldish(from '04), but there are some good solutions in there....TBH, it's not a matter of "if", but "when" we can start. And hopefully, sooner, rather than later.
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Too many people and too few resources...and that gap is increasing rapidly. nt.
OldDem2012
Jan 2013
#1
This is where we learn, through our actions or inactions, whether the species is worthy of being
Fire Walk With Me
Jan 2013
#2
I'll leave that to those who will either live or die through its initiation or failure.
Fire Walk With Me
Jan 2013
#40
part of the reason those " simpler times" were easier on the planet is because we died younger.
BlancheSplanchnik
Jan 2013
#151
It has more to do with resource use in the West than with population explosion in the rest.
antigone382
Jan 2013
#154
no sorry if I was a little unclear. didn't mean that it's the fault of subsistence populations
BlancheSplanchnik
Jan 2013
#157
Exactly. First Nations consider water to be life, children to be sacred. These are good ideas
Fire Walk With Me
Jan 2013
#81
Huge maternal and infant mortality rate without OBs and C-sections.
Manifestor_of_Light
Jan 2013
#152
Stress is working 40-60 hours/week for a seat in the good house that exploits the rest of the world
NoOneMan
Jan 2013
#171
Interestingly enough, foraging humans didn't experience high perinatal and infant mortality rates
NoOneMan
Jan 2013
#162
Why is the belief that technology will always save you more rational than that of God saving you?
NoOneMan
Jan 2013
#172
I am sick of the class that uses & directs enormous resources for their own profit posing as
HiPointDem
Jan 2013
#25
Charles Windsor, if you prefer, is actually well-known as committed to environmental causes
Hekate
Jan 2013
#30
he makes a profit on his investments, too. funny he would care about such things, what with
HiPointDem
Jan 2013
#32
Sorry, but I know someone in the field, and environmentalism is not psyops.
JDPriestly
Jan 2013
#248
don't go by them: they have posted that the Clean Air Act doesn't apply to the Bay Area
CreekDog
Jan 2013
#210
It does matter, thank you very much, because it's part of the reason we're still in this mess,
AverageJoe90
Jan 2013
#101
Well, I'm sorry if I haven't been able to explain things to your satisfaction.
AverageJoe90
Jan 2013
#126
for someone who claims to believe in the dangers of global climate change, why do you...
CreekDog
Jan 2013
#213
Hey, I'll admit I'm not all that good at explaining myself, compared to some.....
AverageJoe90
Jan 2013
#188
Oh, are you trying to say alarmism increases denialism or some crap like that?
NoOneMan
Jan 2013
#199
The people saying that we're playing with fire and likely to get burned aren't the problem
CreekDog
Jan 2013
#212
tens of millions of Bangladeshis displaced by minor increases in sea level isn't a bad thing to you?
CreekDog
Jan 2013
#219
if you think it's a big deal, stop arguing against people who think climate change is a big deal
CreekDog
Jan 2013
#224
the OP does not posit "inevitable collapse" but you are attempting to make a straw man of the OP
CreekDog
Jan 2013
#226
for someone who is living what was once an inland sea, you are pretty cavalier
CreekDog
Jan 2013
#209
Corporations such as Monsanto and BP, and the do-nothing Republicans will speed the process.
AdHocSolver
Jan 2013
#7
And of course all the gleeful investors. Willing to kill anything for a dollar.
raouldukelives
Jan 2013
#39
Your post reminds me of something said to me by a scientist friend of mine.
airplaneman
Jan 2013
#168
''The problems we face today cannot be solved by the minds that created them.'' – Albert Einstein
DeSwiss
Jan 2013
#8
Actually, we are ruining our soil with fossil-fuel-based fertilizers. For the moment, we produce
JDPriestly
Jan 2013
#13
Years ago in NW Iowa the trees grew along the river banks on every farm and along the roads etc.
jwirr
Jan 2013
#43
Yes they started that after they drained their wells dry by getting rid of the trees. It is sad to
jwirr
Jan 2013
#180
As long as civilization is preserved, yes, probably not much more will happen biologically
NoOneMan
Jan 2013
#107
And, TBH, any one of us Americans would be more likely to die in an auto accident in any given year,
AverageJoe90
Jan 2013
#108
Or perhaps we expect other intelligent life to mimic our own. Perhaps other intelligent life
KittyWampus
Jan 2013
#218
Drought--massive widespread drought--in one or several of the world's breadbaskets--
truebluegreen
Jan 2013
#122
The 'preppers' can't manufacture ground water out of nothing. Or breathable air.
randome
Jan 2013
#47
The writing has been on the wall for a long time but most CHOOSE to ignore it
stultusporcos
Jan 2013
#34
They only control what we allow them to control. That's where the problem lies.
randome
Jan 2013
#50
I hear you. But a few well-placed laws forbidding those practices would solve it.
randome
Jan 2013
#144
I am not a prepper, survivalist or gun nutter, just a regular guy who likes to be prepared.
airplaneman
Jan 2013
#170
Don't worry, when every tree is cut down & every river is poisoned, we can eat money.
JaneyVee
Jan 2013
#38
You have to be fucking kidding me. Are you going to shoot climate change?
Warren Stupidity
Jan 2013
#68
Big picture ... mankind often does little 'till after a catastrophic event. My take is
RKP5637
Jan 2013
#78
Well at least all of our nuclear wastes are safely disposed of for tens of thousands of years
Tom Rinaldo
Jan 2013
#87
Revisiting The Limits to Growth: Could The Club of Rome Have Been Correct, After All?
FarCenter
Jan 2013
#95
Even if we last several million more years....we will still have been a blip on the radar.
NYC Liberal
Jan 2013
#115
True, but we aren't at all likely to go extinct in at least the next several thousand years or so...
AverageJoe90
Jan 2013
#119
I'm not good at science stuff so I just follow what the scientists are saying.
limpyhobbler
Jan 2013
#184
One cosmic instant by John a. Livingston a natural history of human arrogance
kimbutgar
Jan 2013
#147
Even if the world's superpowers could do anything about it, we know they wouldn't.
blkmusclmachine
Jan 2013
#165
Just add 87 years to everyone's age; even the majority of newborns won't live to 2100.
FarCenter
Jan 2013
#194
There are a large number of things that can bring us crashing down - globally.
GreenStormCloud
Jan 2013
#250