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10. So, the generalized answer, given the unequal birth rates we observe, plus the effect on population
Sat Jan 12, 2013, 04:12 PM
Jan 2013

EDITED: I screwed up the population calculation at first.

Assuming each childbirth is male with probability p and female with probability q = (1 - p), this is a series of identically distributed independent Bernoulli trials, you have a male on average every 1 / p births. So in the simple case where p = 0.5, you have 1 male every 2 births, and therefore as many males as females.

We observe in most populations that p = 0.5025 or so (presumably we evolved to produce slightly more males to account for higher male mortality), so you would have on average 1.05 males per every female (which is roughly what we have in the US).

The point is, your plan keeps the ratio of males to females at whatever it is "naturally".

Now, what is the expected population? Given that every couple stops after a male, you will have

Half of your couples having 1 child
A quarter having 2 children
An eighth having 3 children
A sixteenth having 4 children,

i.e., the probability that a couple has n children is 2 ^ (-n). So, with X couples, the number of children in the next generation is

0.5 X + (0.25 * 2) X + (0.125 * 3) X + ...

ie, sigma (n = 0 -> infinity) of n * 0.5 ^ n, which in closed form is 0.5 / (1 - 0.5)^2 = 0.5 / 0.25 = 2.

So you will have twice as many children as you have couples, which is a bit under the population replacement rate (since not everyone has children, and not all children survive to adulthood).

With the actual uneven birthrates, instead of 0.5 ^ n you have 0.5025 ^ n, which yields

sigma (n = 0 -> infinity) of n * 0.5025 ^ n, which in closed form is 0.5025 / (1 - 0.5025) ^ 2 = 0.5025 / 0.2475= 2.03 children per couple

Imagine we switch the sexes, and couples had boys until they got a girl?

Then you have p = 0.4975, 1 / p = 2.01, and the series is n * 0.4975 ^ n which in closed form is 0.4975 / (1 - 0.4975) ^ 2 = 0.4975 / 0.2525 = 1.97 children per couple.

So, as you can see, even small perturbations in the gender probabilities can have fairly large impacts on the population size with this scheme.

Fun with Math [View all] cthulu2016 Jan 2013 OP
... Robb Jan 2013 #1
Probability Publiuus Jan 2013 #2
Yes, I should have speciffied a hypothetical 50-50 cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #3
Check out the effect on populations I worked out in #10 with non 50/50 distributions though Recursion Jan 2013 #12
Your post is interesting. See my reply cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #16
There would be more females. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #4
Try it with a coin cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #6
Yeah, I actually thought about AFTER I posted, and I agree. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #8
It's the integral of a poisson process Recursion Jan 2013 #5
Your recollection is correct cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #7
Outcomes enumerated are... Speck Tater Jan 2013 #9
Of course, there is another constraint in the problem as posed... DreamGypsy Jan 2013 #21
I also didn't account for twins and triplets... etc. Speck Tater Jan 2013 #23
So, the generalized answer, given the unequal birth rates we observe, plus the effect on population Recursion Jan 2013 #10
Interestingly... Fisher's law is usually expressed wrong cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #14
then for 100 couples hfojvt Jan 2013 #20
China's preference of male babies and one child policy has skewed the ratio... Agnosticsherbet Jan 2013 #11
Without selective abortion, the chances of each birth are still 50:50 muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #13
Even without gender-selective abortion ... surrealAmerican Jan 2013 #15
That is an excellent point cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #17
Rosendcrantz and Guildenstern are dead. DreamGypsy Jan 2013 #18
Done that way: 100% chance of having a son, 50% chance of having a daughter bhikkhu Jan 2013 #19
You started out very well, but cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #22
Of course... bhikkhu Jan 2013 #24
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