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freshwest

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61. Please explain - do you mean that the deficit is like a credit card?
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 11:24 PM
Jan 2013

And the debt is what on that credit card - that is, it's someone else's money that is being used. I'm trying to get my head around this as we're going into a new era of determining priorities. Some things, for example, are not under fire by creditors in other nations, such as social spending or here, military expenses.

If people are the priority, those are considered what is necessary to keep the government going - like a healthy workforce. If defense is top of the list, then armaments are the necessary item for government to survive - and possibly then the people's health.

Sometimes we hear social safety net items referred to as 'liabilities' or 'unfunded liabilities.' Defense is not considered in those terms. If it was, it would bring about a more reasonable policy.

As to that matter, what actually are the 'assets' of a nation? Public land, the works of labor, air, water, armaments, resources? Who owns or has right to put those things under the control of government?

I think we are coming to some interesting questions about the nature of government, such as the Founding Fathers did.




I wish things were getting better in the Democratic state of Illinois. mucifer Jan 2013 #1
In California we went through some pretty drastic cuts lunatica Jan 2013 #4
Hard is a gentle word for it. xxqqqzme Jan 2013 #31
That's brutal lunatica Jan 2013 #49
Maybe you and other voters need to vote in a democratic super-majority, that seems to be bluestate10 Jan 2013 #5
We have a pretty ugly democratic majority. We have some very crooked dems in our state. It's sad. mucifer Jan 2013 #10
Illinois has a Democratic supermajority in both chambers... waddirum Jan 2013 #15
Only after the last election. BVictor1 Jan 2013 #68
The passage of Proposition 30 is what's turning this state around. Melinda Jan 2013 #18
We simply told the wealthy carpetbaggers that if they want to enjoy California's beaches and JDPriestly Jan 2013 #42
I'm sure having a large pool of college graduates doesn't hurt either. Sirveri Jan 2013 #76
Plus we voted for an increase in income tax for incomes over $250K wryter2000 Jan 2013 #21
Maybe non Californians need to take a loot at the state political landscape Lordquinton Jan 2013 #37
"Take a loot"? ;) Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #45
Here in TN we have a RepubliCON super majority and in Greene County a 12.6% unemployment rate fasttense Jan 2013 #72
Has Jerry finally turned this thing around? Whew! Fire Walk With Me Jan 2013 #2
Looks so. Brown made some hard choices early on. Now that California is getting on it's feet, bluestate10 Jan 2013 #7
The state would have ended up on eBay if Meg Whitman had won! Fire Walk With Me Jan 2013 #8
Funny and True! dooner Jan 2013 #70
The arrogance of billionaires - Bainbridge Bear Jan 2013 #74
The Occupy movement in California had a lot of sympathy from middle-class city dwellers. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #43
I Experienced The Very Same Thing... Occupy Changed The Converstaion... And... WillyT Jan 2013 #55
Agreed. Starry Messenger Jan 2013 #83
For republicans, deficits are a demogoguerry tool, not an actual issue. phantom power Jan 2013 #3
One only has to point out the infamous Cheney quote if they ask for proof of that! bullwinkle428 Jan 2013 #6
not an actual issue. AlbertCat Jan 2013 #33
Boy, you nailed that, phantom power! tex-wyo-dem Jan 2013 #67
Keynesian Economics, Vindicated Taverner Jan 2013 #9
Hear, Hear !!! WillyT Jan 2013 #11
Heh, I wasn't even born the last time he was governor! Odin2005 Jan 2013 #17
lmao, I am now officially too fucking old. ;-) Melinda Jan 2013 #19
I was a kid during Jerry's 1st admin Taverner Jan 2013 #20
Except for that last one Lordquinton Jan 2013 #44
Somehow I remember her rollerskating in the Governor's mansion? libdem4life Jan 2013 #62
Um... Me And Skipper... WillyT Jan 2013 #64
LOL !!! - Youngie !!! - The First Vote I Ever Cast After Turning 18, Was For Jerry Brown In 1974 !!! WillyT Jan 2013 #56
Ouch! SunSeeker Jan 2013 #78
yep. freshwest Jan 2013 #27
and the top earners will whine and cry per usual...but who cares, whiners whine Follow The Money Jan 2013 #12
Was there drastic cuts? Puzzledtraveller Jan 2013 #13
There were some deep cuts, yes. MineralMan Jan 2013 #14
Democrats make governments work. Odin2005 Jan 2013 #16
Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #22
A government's budget deficit is not the same as its debt, but people tblue37 Jan 2013 #26
Please explain - do you mean that the deficit is like a credit card? freshwest Jan 2013 #61
No, I am actually referring to the common tblue37 Jan 2013 #65
deficit:surplus for your budget, debt:reserves for your account NuttyFluffers Jan 2013 #73
Democrats are better with the economy than repugs samsingh Jan 2013 #23
The RW "deficit scolds" were similarly upset tblue37 Jan 2013 #24
i'm convinced now that Democrats ARE smarter than repugs samsingh Jan 2013 #25
I never had any doubt. DaveJ Jan 2013 #29
there definitely seems to be something here samsingh Jan 2013 #32
I'm hoping we've made it DaveJ Jan 2013 #36
if the Democrats at the federal level stay smart samsingh Jan 2013 #47
The Scandanavian countries have very high tax rates, but their economies are thriving and their Flatulo Jan 2013 #63
exactly samsingh Jan 2013 #80
I see that they also have limited trade with China. Outsourcing your manufacturing base Flatulo Jan 2013 #81
agreed. samsingh Jan 2013 #82
Once again the Democrats really fix the problem. airplaneman Jan 2013 #28
It was Gray Davis (D) xxqqqzme Jan 2013 #34
Thanks for correcting me on this. n/t. airplaneman Jan 2013 #51
I thought it was Issa. SwankyXomb Jan 2013 #52
Now if only the Democrat in Albany NY would fix our state... Historic NY Jan 2013 #30
The time has come for the Red States to be CUT OFF Doctor_J Jan 2013 #35
Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #39
in other news... Javaman Jan 2013 #38
kr HiPointDem Jan 2013 #40
I am proud to say that Jerry Brown is my Governor! supercats Jan 2013 #41
K&R n/t Duval Jan 2013 #46
Good news, let's hope it is sustainable thetonka Jan 2013 #48
How many public servants and retired public servants were screwed over to do it? forestpath Jan 2013 #50
I was thinking that.. Thanks to Paul Krugman for Cha Jan 2013 #53
Anytime, Cha... Anytime... WillyT Jan 2013 #54
and just think DonCoquixote Jan 2013 #57
There's A Lot, In That There Sentence... Could You Unpack It For Us ??? WillyT Jan 2013 #58
Unpack DonCoquixote Jan 2013 #59
Alright... Despite Whatever Critcisms... WillyT Jan 2013 #60
It ain't enough Willy Kingwithnothrone Jan 2013 #66
I hear you, but DonCoquixote Jan 2013 #71
Krugman clearly doesn't understand what is going on in CA JayhawkSD Jan 2013 #69
Lets be clear, John2 Jan 2013 #77
they'll just have to create another 9-11, er, another Pearl Harbor, as PNAC put it, valerief Jan 2013 #75
Not to be a downer.. 1983law Jan 2013 #79
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