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17. NOT true. Every security person knows that entry points are exactly the control points for school
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 02:17 PM
Jan 2013

crime and invasions. All doors in Chicago high schools have both walk-through security pillars and scanning machines. Students wear seeable, mandatory ID's at all times. Once the population inside is 'clean' and secure, preventing criminal invasion at entry points is relatively easy.

There have been NO shootings in Chicago schools for over six years, while there HAVE been shootings in areas nearby. That's more an indicator of the neighborhood than of the schools in them. Schools in Chicago, as elsewhere, are the safest places for children to be all day in this country when the adults show some adult practical knowledge of security methods. That's what principal training is for.

It's what the public already pays for. The failure on school districts' part to spend properly on best security practices doesn't make it incumbent upon the public to spend more money toward "patches' than it already spends. States and districts must show some brains and steward already-existing security budgeting. Otherwise this just smacks of cheap political protection racket leadership.

But first, Turbineguy Jan 2013 #1
yup, i guess the figure the custodian is a single most expendable employee at a school. unblock Jan 2013 #3
I hope the custodians negotiated a raise for their additional Fresh_Start Jan 2013 #2
Guard services don't pay particularly well. FarCenter Jan 2013 #4
That would be the very first question I would ask if I were one Tempest Jan 2013 #5
not only targets... but also they are taking on liability Fresh_Start Jan 2013 #8
Or if one of their stray bullets hits a student or teacher Tempest Jan 2013 #34
Sometimes the school district will pay Fresh_Start Jan 2013 #36
How long before some student will get shot. tblue Jan 2013 #6
Bad management practice. Stupid politics. Principals in all states are THE primary point person for ancianita Jan 2013 #7
Hard to say about qualifications? Some custodians may be veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan. FarCenter Jan 2013 #9
That's too random and undependable as a practice in securing schools. Having "some" isn't a ancianita Jan 2013 #10
A posted, uniformed, armed guard can be useful, but only if you're out of the mass shooting mindset Recursion Jan 2013 #11
So because it can help in some cases Aerows Jan 2013 #13
Well, that's the opposite of what I'm suggesting Recursion Jan 2013 #16
They aren't rare though Aerows Jan 2013 #20
I don't know who decided this, but 4 fatalities in one incident is the "official" definition Recursion Jan 2013 #21
607 people Aerows Jan 2013 #23
I keep banging my head into this wall, but... Recursion Jan 2013 #31
I'm a much bigger fan Aerows Jan 2013 #35
Form and function Recursion Jan 2013 #44
Apparently you're not up on drive by shootings Tempest Jan 2013 #37
Not rifles, though Recursion Jan 2013 #41
Semi automatic machine guns that are legal to purchase. Tempest Jan 2013 #42
Something is either semi-automatic or a machine gun Recursion Jan 2013 #45
An Uzi is a semi-automatic machine gun. So it's not either/or. n/t Tempest Jan 2013 #49
No, an Uzi is not semi-automatic Recursion Jan 2013 #50
How about from the manufacturer? Would that be good enough? Tempest Jan 2013 #53
That's an "Uzi pistol", not an "Uzi submachinegun" Recursion Jan 2013 #54
You're seriously going to debate between a semi-automatic machine gun Tempest Jan 2013 #60
Yes. One is automatic and one is semi-automatic. Recursion Jan 2013 #61
Endless obsession about gun details bongbong Jan 2013 #65
And his clock has just run out. Tempest Jan 2013 #66
No ... Straw Man Jan 2013 #72
NOT true. Every security person knows that entry points are exactly the control points for school ancianita Jan 2013 #17
Why do you agree with me but then say "NOT true"? Recursion Jan 2013 #19
Oh. I guess because your example of how security doesn't work seemed to argue against your ancianita Jan 2013 #25
Doesn't work against lone gunman mass shooter types Recursion Jan 2013 #32
Lone gunmen Aerows Jan 2013 #40
I'm ready to address this if you can link some critical mass of "exceptions" that you imply here. ancianita Jan 2013 #43
I'm not against guards, just against them having guns Recursion Jan 2013 #46
Having unarmed entry guards in a country of 300 million guns makes absolutely no sense. ancianita Jan 2013 #48
Good security practices? marions ghost Jan 2013 #63
How come no one is asking why we need guns in schools?? Angry Dragon Jan 2013 #12
You can't fix the problem 100% Aerows Jan 2013 #18
So you are advocating confiscation to fix the problem? dkf Jan 2013 #26
Is that what was said? Even close? Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #27
In other words, just another post from dkf. n/t Tempest Jan 2013 #38
Yes, that's exactly what EVERYONE in this thread Aerows Jan 2013 #51
+1 Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #58
Show me where I said anything close to what you suggest ........ Angry Dragon Jan 2013 #67
I predict you won't get a meaningful reply from that one. 2ndAmForComputers Jan 2013 #73
Wasn't there an armed guard at the latest school shooting? SheilaT Jan 2013 #14
Principals know that for every entry and exit point you need an armed guard, and their communities ancianita Jan 2013 #30
Are you really advocating this? marions ghost Jan 2013 #64
It's not advocacy as much as it is pragmatics. ancianita Jan 2013 #71
Other countries have managed to take the guns away. SheilaT Jan 2013 #68
I would totally agree with this. The problem is the registering. I've suggested that every state ancianita Jan 2013 #69
Guard wasn't there. He was snowed in and didn't make it. n/t Tempest Jan 2013 #39
And of course, that will never happen again SheilaT Jan 2013 #74
... Robb Jan 2013 #15
Oh, Snap! Brother Buzz Jan 2013 #22
I have never been in a school where the janitor was anything less than a charity hire. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #28
They are going to find his retirement grease. nt msanthrope Jan 2013 #24
In a local school district mainstreetonce Jan 2013 #29
I know that if the custodians would have had guns when I went to school, I would have been shot liberal N proud Jan 2013 #33
who ensures that the custodians can be trusted and won't cause more damage samsingh Jan 2013 #47
unanimously... hmmph (nt) OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #52
Armed custodians if we can't get cops we'll used the guys with mops Historic NY Jan 2013 #55
Weren't these the guys Politicalboi Jan 2013 #56
Tell me this is an Onion article? Rex Jan 2013 #57
And then it will lay them off due to the cost ... JoePhilly Jan 2013 #59
This is like a script for a bad Splatter movie. leveymg Jan 2013 #62
This is a bad idea. It just makes the custodians the first target of any shooter. JVS Jan 2013 #70
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