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6. No, I don't

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Thu Jan 10, 2013, 07:39 PM

Jan 2013

they are cowards at the heart.

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Do you think all these gun nuts making threats will lead to a national Ruby Ridge situation? [View all] SummerSnow Jan 2013 OP

Yes. JaneyVee Jan 2013 #1

And who was responsible for THAT travesty?? B2G Jan 2013 #2

I'd say the folks at Ruby Ridge who holed up and forced the confrontation. maxsolomon Jan 2013 #7

You might want to review the history on this incident ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #87

This message was self-deleted by its author markpkessinger Jan 2013 #146

I know the history. I watched it happen on TV. maxsolomon Jan 2013 #183

If you watched it on TV you did not get 20% of the story ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #204

Poppy Bush. And a typo in a court appearance date Recursion Jan 2013 #14

Feds gave Weaver a bunch of time to walk out of his compound unarmed. Hoyt Jan 2013 #20

No, the first contact was when they shot his son Recursion Jan 2013 #25

They sat outside his compound for days. Then, sonny boy Hoyt Jan 2013 #29

This message was self-deleted by its author Recursion Jan 2013 #32

NM. I'm not going to re-hash that fiasco Recursion Jan 2013 #34

At least the feds meant right. Weaver was a vile person, and criminal. Hoyt Jan 2013 #36

And Lon Tomohisa Horiuchi sir pball Jan 2013 #179

I'm sure these guys will agree with you. Hoyt Jan 2013 #187

So you think it was reasonable and justifiable sir pball Jan 2013 #193

I think it was a bad choice for the racist gun runner to hide behind his wife and kids, and to send Hoyt Jan 2013 #198

It was definitely poor judgement sir pball Jan 2013 #199

There were repurcussions, quite serious ones? TheMadMonk Jan 2013 #206

Which is why the Feds paid them damages... ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #63

Yes, you are defending weaver. Gerry Spence got the payment for the racist pig. Hoyt Jan 2013 #70

What total bullshit...you are playing fast and loose with the facts again. ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #80

If weaver had not sold illegal guns to ayran nation, nothing would have happened. Hoyt Jan 2013 #89

Don't forget the false accusation by his neighbors... ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #95

Marshals would not have been there except for weaver's love of guns and hatred of minorities. Hoyt Jan 2013 #100

You are my new DU favorite. galileoreloaded Jan 2013 #117

Bullshit. He has never defended Weaver. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #121

You better check your facts (and guns) if you don't know that. Google if you must. Hoyt Jan 2013 #158

You made the claim, it's up to *you* to document it- and you haven't. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #184

Seriously, you have no business near a gun. Hoyt Jan 2013 #186

I was referring to *your* slur of ProgressiveProfessor, here: friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #190

Well if the self-proclaimed "Professor" is not defending weaver, I'd like to know what he is doing. Hoyt Jan 2013 #192

Have you never heard the phrase "A pox on both your houses", Hoyt? friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #194

Poor little randy would never have encountered feds if he did not frequent ayran nation meetings, Hoyt Jan 2013 #197

The "compound" shit again? beevul Jan 2013 #200

Really? So if I say I don't support torture that means SomethingFishy Jan 2013 #209

There is not much worse than a racist who helps ayran nation., and teaches his family racist crap. Hoyt Jan 2013 #211

Do you support the militarization of the police? krispos42 Jan 2013 #148

Nope. Nor do I think all your guns help. Hoyt Jan 2013 #150

Yet you are arguing for a harsh and immediate police arrest. krispos42 Jan 2013 #151

Who is? Show me where I did that. Now, if you guys want to play randy weaver and not comply Hoyt Jan 2013 #159

The quicker the arrest, the lower the liklihood,... TheMadMonk Jan 2013 #207

Respectfully disagree. H2O Man Jan 2013 #178

"When you quote something like that, it is customary to give a link to the source." friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #185

The Feds ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #59

The assholes who shot at Federal Marshals. Zoeisright Jan 2013 #67

You might want to read up on that a bit more ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #88

Who wrote that Wiki article? Old and In the Way Jan 2013 #105

Its not binary situation. Weaver was scum AND the Feds fucked up horribly ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #113

Your explanation is too nuanced for those of a Manichaean persuasion. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #131

Assholes, to be sure... Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #91

Harris, who shot the federal marshal who died was not only acquitted on the basis of self defense ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #102

Yes...yes...and yes. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #104

the criminals... nt seabeyond Jan 2013 #168

Many. As the white male wanes, they will burn out violently. nt onehandle Jan 2013 #3

Now that is a profound statement. n/t vaberella Jan 2013 #78

Probably not but are you prepared to volunteer to take them out? nt jody Jan 2013 #4

I'd get frustrated and ask irrelevant, petulant questions too... LanternWaste Jan 2013 #13

That's what the feds are for, although I'm sure some of Gungeoneers would scream. Hoyt Jan 2013 #15

To which "feds" are you referring? Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #93

Actually lots in military are not racist right wingers. The RWers are easy to spot too. Hoyt Jan 2013 #94

The race card? I accept your surrender. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #98

You are one claimed military is right wing. Had enough of the gungeon junk tonight. Hoyt Jan 2013 #106

They don't have a chance... onehandle Jan 2013 #33

Looks dangerous. How do you plan to get around the Posse Comitatus Act? nt jody Jan 2013 #39

That's pre-12/14 thinking. onehandle Jan 2013 #40

Are you seriously suggesting that the US military should bomb American cities... Taitertots Jan 2013 #58

Uh no, the suggestion is that if you enter a state of armed insurrection Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #66

Ruby Ridge wasn't an armed insurrection Taitertots Jan 2013 #81

Any situation of legitimate, widespread insurrection... Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #99

The military is not population control. Really, neither are the police. TheKentuckian Jan 2013 #139

The masturbatory fantasy where the American Military kills Americans is reaching a fever pitch. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2013 #83

I wouldn't go that far, but some people would get schadenfreude from seeing their ideological... Taitertots Jan 2013 #90

All gleefully postulated by people who never served a day in their life. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #101

Since you asked nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #128

On what date will Victory in Afghanistan Day be celebrated? friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #120

I will if it's on a weekend, is the pay good? snooper2 Jan 2013 #165

Pay rotten, governors and president will call up the unorganized militia. That's all males 17-45. nt jody Jan 2013 #167

but we are getting paid right? and I don't have a gun right now... snooper2 Jan 2013 #169

Omg! Hatchling Jan 2013 #188

In some cases it may. NutmegYankee Jan 2013 #5

You don't know about MOVE in Philadelphia, do you? Manifestor_of_Light Jan 2013 #42

I remember. I was young then and never regained my trust in govt. Mojorabbit Jan 2013 #62

Congrats! Old and In the Way Jan 2013 #107

I was Mojorabbit Jan 2013 #109

I didn't. NutmegYankee Jan 2013 #116

No, I don't Fresh_Start Jan 2013 #6

No. The great majority of them are cowards. nt bluestate10 Jan 2013 #8

Absolutely, particularly those wearing medals earned in combat. Have you volunteered already to help jody Jan 2013 #10

Your support of armed up racists milita types is duly noted, and expected. Hoyt Jan 2013 #18

Will *you* be joining up to fight the "armed up racists milita types" ? friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #122

If the government wants you dead, you're dead DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2013 #19

DisgustipatedinCA have you volunteered? nt jody Jan 2013 #21

I volunteered for military service DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2013 #26

Not inane question at all. My posts are all to #8. nt jody Jan 2013 #30

Did you notice the killings in Paris? ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #114

In 1789? Yes, I took note. Why? DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2013 #115

The ones yesterday...3 Kurdish women who were activists. ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #118

Which veterans wearing medals earned in combat do you believe will be making violent threats? LanternWaste Jan 2013 #22

LanternWaste have you volunteered? nt jody Jan 2013 #23

Have you answered the question? LanternWaste Jan 2013 #24

I'll put you down as a non-volunteer. If you're male, 17-45 you're part of the militia anyway. jody Jan 2013 #27

I registered for and stood in the draft during the last years of the Vietnam conflict. I lost a bluestate10 Jan 2013 #72

LOL people who are really brave don't call others cowards. Probably a clerk in basic. nt jody Jan 2013 #76

Seriously fuckedup thinking. GeorgeGist Jan 2013 #84

Look. Whenever I should have been a coward, I haven't been. I am not a superman, I bluestate10 Jan 2013 #85

Just so I understand.... Old and In the Way Jan 2013 #110

Would not doubt it. Some of the Gungeoneers are big randy weaver apologists. Hoyt Jan 2013 #9

Randy Weaver was a racist scumbag Recursion Jan 2013 #16

A good summary ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #97

Some few will almost certainly do some stupid shit, stochastic terrorism you know.. Fumesucker Jan 2013 #11

It's the non-loudmouths that will be a greater problem. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #123

A few, maybe. Hopefully the FBI and ATF have learned since then (nt) Recursion Jan 2013 #12

Its taught as a example of what never to do again ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #65

Sporadic, isolated incidents of violence are almost a certainty. LongTomH Jan 2013 #17

It could. Plenty of "militiamen" in my state of PA. WinkyDink Jan 2013 #28

Largely *because of* Ruby Ridge Recursion Jan 2013 #37

Could be but did you ever see the guys that are in these so called Militias doc03 Jan 2013 #31

Problem is, they'll just commit hate crimes against innocent people. Hoyt Jan 2013 #38

for once, you and I agree.. SQUEE Jan 2013 #44

That's why we need to get tough on guns now. Hoyt Jan 2013 #47

hardly I am the same as I ever was. SQUEE Jan 2013 #51

Yeah, arming up to shoot fellow citizens isn't "dehumanizing." Hoyt Jan 2013 #64

Unless it's the Feds doing the shooting, amirite? friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #130

That is an unfair, inaccurate description. Frank Cannon Jan 2013 #135

The only response by the government to the gun guts and militiapersons who screech stultusporcos Jan 2013 #35

Wow! Just.... Wow! Glassunion Jan 2013 #43

So, are you hawk on any one besides your fellow citizens? SQUEE Jan 2013 #46

Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #69

As per the the 2nd Amendment...the gun humpers ought to parade on the Commons Old and In the Way Jan 2013 #112

You would LOSE your bet stultusporcos Jan 2013 #156

Really? I used the word most.. you, me and a few others may be vets.. SQUEE Jan 2013 #162

War is a terriable thing and is something I would not look forward to seeing again stultusporcos Jan 2013 #202

You gonna be volunteering for the job? friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #124

Randy Weaver is still alive, and is a million dollars richer thanks to his lawsuit Recursion Jan 2013 #41

He probably went and spent that million bucks on guns. Hope he's enjoying them. kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #48

Well, the US Marshalls saw to that, I guess (nt) Recursion Jan 2013 #52

That's your wish for him? Bay Boy Jan 2013 #71

No. Sorry. People like him NEVER learn. He will be filled with hate until the day kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #201

I don't see weaver as some one to aspire, no matter how much he scammed from society. Hoyt Jan 2013 #50

Like I said, he's a racist scumbag Recursion Jan 2013 #53

You won't get me to cry for poor old randy, Zimmerman, cowboys, or milita types. Hoyt Jan 2013 #60

Actually it was 100K to him and $1M each to his children, $3.1 in total ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #82

Do you think all thes gun grabbers spewing hysterical nonsense will lead to gun law reform? cleanhippie Jan 2013 #45

I'm surprised we haven't had something like that happen already. backscatter712 Jan 2013 #49

Critical difference: at that time the BATF was out of control Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #73

Thank you for your post. amandabeech Jan 2013 #154

Bill Clinton was not president when Ruby Ridge happened. Mr.Bill Jan 2013 #77

Good chance of it IMO. n/t RKP5637 Jan 2013 #54

Such an incident would only hurt their case. liberal N proud Jan 2013 #55

Yes, and DonCoquixote Jan 2013 #56

And would this situation kill 11,000 this year? randr Jan 2013 #57

It very easily might Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #61

Declare extremists US terrorists and covertly take them into custody larkrake Jan 2013 #68

Define extremeist. Glassunion Jan 2013 #125

I think your understanding of the law is a bit off. TheKentuckian Jan 2013 #137

At some point, the way it is going, some people will do something stupid quaker bill Jan 2013 #74

The British Army thought their deployment to Northern Ireland in 1969 would be a temporary one. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #129

Poor examples quaker bill Jan 2013 #157

Aaah, but *which* government would be popular? State or Federal? friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #205

We have been there and done that quaker bill Jan 2013 #208

Hell no. Threats are all they're good for. ancianita Jan 2013 #75

+++++++ haikugal Jan 2013 #108

Define your idea of "gun owner"; is this simply anyone who owns a gun? Glassunion Jan 2013 #126

I don't mean all gun owners, but the OP doesn't define "gun nuts making threats," either. There is ancianita Jan 2013 #132

Thank you for your post. Glassunion Jan 2013 #136

Glad we agree on some things here. I'm not a gun owner at present, but I'd know how to handle ancianita Jan 2013 #138

Agreed. nt Glassunion Jan 2013 #140

Nnnnnnope. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2013 #79

I'd like to know why people keep dropping these Jazzgirl Jan 2013 #86

You just answered your billh58 Jan 2013 #96

When you pull the pin on a hand grenade and drop it, do you stand close or do you run like hell? Glassunion Jan 2013 #127

Maybe because people equate gun ownership and use issues with life and death issues. ancianita Jan 2013 #133

If everyone was guaranteed that big of a payday... ileus Jan 2013 #92

Yes, and more. We will have small timers shooting someone of note. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #103

The threats actually started as soon as Obama was sworn into office rightsideout Jan 2013 #111

Something bad is brewing and it is getting worse. SummerSnow Jan 2013 #177

yep, it's just a question of when quinnox Jan 2013 #119

Turning your guns on your own countrymen, instead of your legitimate enemies who've wrecked ancianita Jan 2013 #134

Uh...most gun onwners will just hide them. HooptieWagon Jan 2013 #142

I'm not in the group that want confiscation or the end of the 2nd Amendment. I'm in the group of ancianita Jan 2013 #143

My mistake then. HooptieWagon Jan 2013 #153

Also, I don't think you're responding to whomever you think you're responding to. Reread the ancianita Jan 2013 #144

Its probable that a few mentally ill people will decide to commit suicide by cop. HooptieWagon Jan 2013 #141

I sure HOPE so. geomon666 Jan 2013 #145

National? No. Here and there, yes. n/t markpkessinger Jan 2013 #147

It's happened before and the country hasn't gotten any saner since. n/t Crunchy Frog Jan 2013 #149

What gun nuts are these that you are speaking of? rl6214 Jan 2013 #152

I really doubt it. ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #155

SMH Mr Dixon Jan 2013 #160

So let me understand this... billh58 Jan 2013 #161

SMH Mr Dixon Jan 2013 #170

No, but billh58 Jan 2013 #172

Funny i guess Mr Dixon Jan 2013 #171

Don't own a gun billh58 Jan 2013 #173

The sooner we crush those nuts the better PoliticalBiker Jan 2013 #163

I noticed many on DU are all for the power of the federal government when a Democrat is in office. Puzzledtraveller Jan 2013 #164

And that's a bad thing billh58 Jan 2013 #174

But it won't always be the case, and when they are in office and start the crackdown Puzzledtraveller Jan 2013 #180

Are you sure that billh58 Jan 2013 #181

Dont resort to that bull Puzzledtraveller Jan 2013 #191

Not bull billh58 Jan 2013 #195

Oh, come ON. Stop engaging hypotheticals against pragmatic discussions about real world gun misuse. ancianita Jan 2013 #196

National? No SpartanDem Jan 2013 #166

Yes. And it will be commandeered secretly by the NRA. Kablooie Jan 2013 #175

wish we could have droned timid tim before he killed all those babies graham4anything Jan 2013 #176

no, they'll go to jail. farminator3000 Jan 2013 #182

These phonies couldn't kill anything. Dash87 Jan 2013 #189

A lot of little ridges, but there are a lot of nuts in this country. juxtaposed Jan 2013 #203

Yes nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #210