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quaker bill

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97. Since you draw the analogy

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 06:43 AM

Jan 2013

I agree that they are similar enough for us to begin to fund infrastructure by making 80% of the cost of guns and ammo a tax. Since a dollar's worth of cigarettes costs $5 with taxes, a $500 gun would run $2500, with $2000 of that being taxes, a $20 box of ammo would run $100 with $80 of that being taxes. Some of the funds would be spent on the wounded or burying the dead and indigent. The rest could fund better schools and roads, just like tobacco.

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Wouldn't banning smoking save more lifes than banning guns? [View all] Logical Jan 2013 OP

Wouldn't using proper English enhance your argument? Whovian Jan 2013 #1

+1000 RetroLounge Jan 2013 #50

+1 samsingh Jan 2013 #134

It's 'lives,' not life's n/t leftstreet Jan 2013 #2

The OP edited and still hasn't figured it out. Whovian Jan 2013 #32

Good lord. LOL. Lex Jan 2013 #34

No surprise. Also misspelled Illogical. pinboy3niner Jan 2013 #44

Avoid the subject of the OP and focus on grammar. darkangel218 Jan 2013 #53

This probably the only thing we will ever agree about. flamin lib Jan 2013 #60

Yeah, what is that? Skip Intro Jan 2013 #66

Well said. nm rhett o rick Jan 2013 #71

+1 Go Vols Jan 2013 #129

To quote Mr. Gump's Mom, "Stupid is as stupid does." If someone can't spell Whovian Jan 2013 #135

That is a mind-blowingly ignorant thing to say. Skip Intro Jan 2013 #137

This message was self-deleted by its author Whovian Jan 2013 #138

The subject is stupid. Not worthy of DU's time n/t leftstreet Jan 2013 #88

Thank you, "Voice of DU" demwing Jan 2013 #106

There are laws protecting people from secondhand smoke. Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #3

Not in homes with kids. Not when I walk outside a bar. Etc. Logical Jan 2013 #4

As I said, YOU choose when and where you are exposed to secondhand smoke. Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #49

This message was self-deleted by its author darkangel218 Jan 2013 #56

It's against the law in my city to smoke in a bar. It's not in your city? Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #58

No, its not. Stil getting smoked in bars, clubs, casinos. darkangel218 Jan 2013 #62

We're not banning guns. I don't want to ban other people's habits. Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #63

I dont want to ban anything. darkangel218 Jan 2013 #64

As an ex smoker I'd applaud banning all tobacco products. Same with semi auto guns flamin lib Jan 2013 #61

I am not in favor of banning people's addictive choices. None of my business. Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #65

If you think banning booze was an epic disaster... HooptieWagon Jan 2013 #73

Guns won't be banned. nt Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #76

I know they won't. HooptieWagon Jan 2013 #78

I don't realistically think a ban on either would be effective, particularly flamin lib Jan 2013 #75

I actually think that's one of the best ideas I've heard. Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #77

Did you HAVE to take your kids to the bar blueamy66 Jan 2013 #83

Im pretty DAMN sure ( some of the ) smokers subject their family to second hand smoking darkangel218 Jan 2013 #84

Just type ass. blueamy66 Jan 2013 #105

True and we are not talking about banning all guns either krawhitham Jan 2013 #87

You might not be ... Coyote_Tan Jan 2013 #95

let me know when someone smokes 26 people to death spanone Jan 2013 #5

Hence the phrase getting smoked? rustydog Jan 2013 #29

No one will ban guns. Ever. JaneyVee Jan 2013 #6

We've tightened the regulations on smoking and have reduced it substantially CreekDog Jan 2013 #7

Still thousands more die from 2nd hand smoke. Isn't that a bigger worry? Logical Jan 2013 #9

Not for the people who get shot. Richard D Jan 2013 #18

Not at all. Lets focus on what causes more deaths! n-t Logical Jan 2013 #19

We have focused on it and that is why smoking is banned from many public areas now Bjorn Against Jan 2013 #33

We already regulate guns as much as cigs. Age limit, etc. Logical Jan 2013 #36

You can carry guns in public buildings but you can't smoke in public buildings Bjorn Against Jan 2013 #37

You can carry cigs into buildings. And not use guns in buildings. Logical Jan 2013 #41

No one is going to murder somebody with a cigarette Bjorn Against Jan 2013 #46

Ridiculous!!!!-Wait a minute YOUR ON! Robyn66 Jan 2013 #111

you're only making the argument because you don't want ANY additional regulation of guns CreekDog Jan 2013 #54

Single payer healthcare would JVS Jan 2013 #8

You're right... we can only do one thing- right? XRubicon Jan 2013 #10

Who's talking about banning guns... orwell Jan 2013 #11

WTF? HappyMe Jan 2013 #12

Wow. This is just painfully stupid. Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #13

Let's ban both and really save lives! Sounds like the best plan according to your criteria Lex Jan 2013 #14

Ding! Iggo Jan 2013 #21

+1000 RetroLounge Jan 2013 #51

Let's add Booger King and McFondles. Eating salt, fat and sugar kills! ...and L0oniX Jan 2013 #123

What the hell? One has nothing to do with the other. n/t Laurian Jan 2013 #15

Nobody is trying to ban either one jberryhill Jan 2013 #16

@@@@@shiney-thing@@@@@. Nt pkdu Jan 2013 #17

Why either/or??? elleng Jan 2013 #20

Maybe we should start having laws to protect us from guns gollygee Jan 2013 #22

Banning Alcohol would save even more. nt Speck Tater Jan 2013 #23

Or banning cars nt tama Jan 2013 #24

My state has banned smoking in all public places including private businesses. I'm living Ed Suspicious Jan 2013 #25

Ban my cigarettes and I'll go after something YOU like - alcohol, soda, french fries, pizza... Tx4obama Jan 2013 #42

Fuck banning guns, BAN SMOKING!!!!! ok, that will stop the murder of innocents rustydog Jan 2013 #26

Cars are needed to function. Smoking is not. Correct? n=t Logical Jan 2013 #27

And if we had banned smoking 20 years ago, we'd still have thousands of rustydog Jan 2013 #35

Cars Are Not 'Needed' Per Se... And Yet... Cars Are Far More Regulated Than Guns... WillyT Jan 2013 #38

Beats me. Let's ask the 1st graders who were shot. Oh wait, we can't,they're all dead. MichiganVote Jan 2013 #28

Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #79

At one time? With intention? The depths you sink to are disgusting. morningfog Jan 2013 #81

I don't know many 6-year-olds... Frank Cannon Jan 2013 #99

Smoking is very heavily regulated Bjorn Against Jan 2013 #30

Cigarettes have recently become regulated by the Food and Drug Administration... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2013 #31

Wow - the paranoia of the gun foolks is showing...they are REALLY reaching now. jmg257 Jan 2013 #39

More innocent people die from smoking than guns. Thousands. You don't care I guess. Logical Jan 2013 #43

Sure I do - I am all for heavy restrictions and taxes on smoking. Same with you and guns, right? jmg257 Jan 2013 #45

let's ban them both and see what happens! nt Takket Jan 2013 #40

Try lighting up inside a public place in NYC. baldguy Jan 2013 #47

In TN, it's illegal to smoke in a family restaurant, but NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 #48

Sounds good, let's ban them both. RetroLounge Jan 2013 #52

No it would not. Glassunion Jan 2013 #55

I think the OP was just trying to make a point. nt darkangel218 Jan 2013 #57

Oh, the OP made one. Occulus Jan 2013 #85

trying is the operative word. GeorgeGist Jan 2013 #117

In California the restaurant and bar owners moaned and groaned over the fact they would be forced libdem4life Jan 2013 #59

do we have to decide between banning Texting and driving and Drinking and Driving JI7 Jan 2013 #67

So you are suggesting banning both guns and smoking? Great idea! DrewFlorida Jan 2013 #68

Only 30,000 die from guns Adsos Letter Jan 2013 #69

Yes, but the banners aren't interested in saving lives. HooptieWagon Jan 2013 #70

Actually, we are interested in saving lives. Chorophyll Jan 2013 #82

Of course the legal, RESPONSIBLE gun owners never wrongly shoot anyone -- BY DEFINITION. pnwmom Jan 2013 #94

You are right, bans will have little effect, but banning AND confiscating will. jmg257 Jan 2013 #112

Stepping into fantasy land does not help you here hack89 Jan 2013 #125

What would DU do without threads like these... ellisonz Jan 2013 #72

Sure! Let's regulate the hell out of guns, just like we do cigarettes Glitterati Jan 2013 #74

Just when I thought I had heard the dumbest fucking gun extremist argument, you deliver this. morningfog Jan 2013 #80

Apples and f****** Oranges. nm Cha Jan 2013 #86

So you're going vegan when? flvegan Jan 2013 #89

Yep! cecilfirefox Jan 2013 #90

So if gun owners could carry their guns Politicalboi Jan 2013 #91

Cigarettes only do one thing... poison/kill their users and those around them. n/t OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #92

Stop trying to use common sense rl6214 Jan 2013 #93

I can't kill 30 people with a pack of Parliaments. name not needed Jan 2013 #96

Very good point. randome Jan 2013 #98

Since you draw the analogy quaker bill Jan 2013 #97

What gives ANYONE the Right to tell others what they can and cannot do with their body? stultusporcos Jan 2013 #100

If we ban guns, only smokers will have the power to kill. n/t rucky Jan 2013 #101

I dunno about outlawing smoking altogether...... AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #102

A report says we've already cut the number Ilsa Jan 2013 #103

This OP Is Yet Another... WiffenPoof Jan 2013 #104

limit Locrian Jan 2013 #107

I have the same problem with smoking that I do with guns liberal N proud Jan 2013 #108

I love the smell... 99Forever Jan 2013 #109

Even if they just made it as hard for a nut to buy a gun tavernier Jan 2013 #110

Only 30000 GeorgeGist Jan 2013 #113

Yes. Lex Jan 2013 #118

Let's ban both!! Sancho Jan 2013 #114

Only 30,000..........e o m jmg257 Jan 2013 #115

Let's regulate guns. Skinner Jan 2013 #116

Well first, I don't think a total ban of Guns is in the works Sheepshank Jan 2013 #119

Don't Forget Sky High Sales Taxes Yavin4 Jan 2013 #132

How about banning cars? Bonduel Jan 2013 #120

How about not subjecting Liberals to NRA Talking Points? bongbong Jan 2013 #121

Or swimming pools JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2013 #122

Or how about we make guns cost the same as cars? Lex Jan 2013 #126

I am for all of that. All of that seems to make more sense to me Bonduel Jan 2013 #136

Did you just c&p this from freeperville? Sheepshank Jan 2013 #133

Tobacco should be a Schedule I drug.. sir pball Jan 2013 #124

Smoking is not banned because government is addicted to it. former9thward Jan 2013 #127

Many gun nuts smoke too SummerSnow Jan 2013 #128

Here in NY smoking is banned in most public places union_maid Jan 2013 #130

Well of course it would - but there are differences as well as similarities. dmallind Jan 2013 #131

"This place would freak out if you wanted to ban smoking. " JoeyT Jan 2013 #139