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Tigress DEM

(7,887 posts)
6. I hear your truth, but it conceals as many lies as it outs.
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 01:01 AM
Jan 2013

There is SO much farther to go before Indian women will have the equality and justice they deserve, but while what is said MUST be said, there is a kinder portion of India that is moving forward toward change, healing and hope.

I think this type of change happens on a continuum, where the worst offenses offend us all except those who would use any excuse for their behavior. To know that this still exists is a slap in the face of all progress made, but it does not erase tireless hours and years of advancement and changes in mindset that are happening however slowly.

On the next level of the continuum are those offenses you mention that demean rather than outright injure but are deeply rooted in society and take time and effort and constant vigilance as well as education to improve. As with our racial divide, there is MUCH progress and yet it is still a daily struggle.

On the higher level of the continuum are those who are evolving and leading the way. The young men who march with the feminist women because they value their mothers, sisters and friends.

In a country, there are so many different people and so many levels of advancement toward enlightenment or entanglement with changing social norms and fear of a future with strong women who can be valued as much as their male counterparts.

India is a country and in this time of growth and change, some reach toward the future and some step back into the past and cling to old ways out of fear of the unknown or nostalgia for how wonderful it used to be. There IS a place for the hard truth that much of the treatment of Indian women is hateful and many people are still consumed with that attitude. But there is also a place for the gentle truth that if the opposite of hate is love, then there is plenty of that to be found in India as well.

Here in America, women have risen up and taken our rights and gotten some better laws, but we still fight for equality. Many of our men fight as hard for us as we do and more importantly they have been educated about those kinds of issues you faced and how demeaning they are for a woman. Lots of progress has been made, but you can still find backwards thinkers and pockets of unabashed misogyny here too.

Our feminists were very virulent in the '60's and we were lucky enough that our creative industries began to see the profit in showing stronger women characters and portraying more positive roles for them. To calm those who fear what the future might bring, it's helpful to have people with vision that can show many positive outcomes as well as likely problems and solutions.

I hope this tragedy ignites a passion for change that seems to be needed and will turn a page in your history that puts so much of these difficulties further and further in the past.

Arguably its worse in the middle east except for Israel.........eom ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #1
cite stats, please. niyad Jan 2013 #3
that's not really saying much JI7 Jan 2013 #8
shall we talk about the misogyny and woman-hatred that is being displayed more and more in niyad Jan 2013 #17
It's still nothing compared to what goes on in India and the Middle East. randome Jan 2013 #20
and what is your point, exactly? are we supposed to ignore it because "it's still nothing"? niyad Jan 2013 #22
Women's lives being taken for the 'crime' of being women is, I think, a more pressing concern. randome Jan 2013 #23
In Africa too SummerSnow Jan 2013 #26
Chilling, and so important Hekate Jan 2013 #2
you are correct about that. I had no idea of the absolute depth of woman-hatred there. niyad Jan 2013 #5
K & R right here. Thanks Hekate and Nyad. freshwest Jan 2013 #14
k&r Liberal_in_LA Jan 2013 #4
I hear your truth, but it conceals as many lies as it outs. Tigress DEM Jan 2013 #6
you do realize this was from someone in india, not me? you can reach the author at the link. niyad Jan 2013 #7
Sorry, someone was talking at me while I did that long post. Tigress DEM Jan 2013 #11
I see a lot of talk about 'continuums' but little concrete changes. randome Jan 2013 #21
The thing is it's a WHOLE Country so people are at different places on this issue. Tigress DEM Jan 2013 #24
Jyoti and her partner's rapes occurred in New Delhi, India's capital. riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #25
I'm sure there are a good portion of women hating people there and the crime was heinous. Tigress DEM Jan 2013 #27
I get your point. randome Jan 2013 #28
Its probably more similar to "most Americans believe we are a Christian country". riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #30
It's kind of funny the way these posts turned out. Tigress DEM Jan 2013 #32
I am just going to remind you that this was written by an Indian woman, who probably has some niyad Jan 2013 #35
"young men...who reportedly rushed forward to take upon their own bodies the blows... Mister Ed Jan 2013 #9
you are correct, that is a tiny glimmer of hope. it was encouraging seeing how many men were niyad Jan 2013 #10
+1. I've met many young people from India, both sexes. Very loving people. freshwest Jan 2013 #15
let's not forget it's also the country of acid attacks on women BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2013 #12
It is still a highly patriarchal society and like all such societies fujiyama Jan 2013 #13
India isn't the only country in the world that has a number of misogynists. PDJane Jan 2013 #16
thank you for pointing out what is going on in israel niyad Jan 2013 #18
. . . niyad Jan 2013 #19
in view of yet another bus gang-rape, and other information, seems most relevant niyad Jan 2013 #29
kick after the newest bus gang rape in india niyad Jan 2013 #31
in view of the latest (yes, ANOTHER ONE) bus gang rape in india niyad Jan 2013 #33
. . . . niyad Jan 2013 #34
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