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85. I can't read Spanish myself and I won't trust a translator I already know to be biased

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 07:08 PM

Jan 2013

No, I won't go to Google translate either.

If you think I insulted you by pointing out that you- not the TSJ, but you- made comments which could easily have been said by someone generally regarded by thinking, reasoned people as being crazy as a shithouse rat (specifically, "addressing the core issue", a classic birther dodge we've all heard before, and no, for the record, I am not calling you a birther) is not my problem and not my concern.

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No progressives should be demanding new elections in Venezuela due to Chavez' health... [View all] Ken Burch Jan 2013 OP

If Barack Obama took off to another country for a medical procedure on the 20th of December, MADem Jan 2013 #1

Unless somebody actually has proof that Chavez is dead, there should be great care Ken Burch Jan 2013 #4

We don't have Proof of Life, either. And it's not "totally inappropriate" to wonder what the hell MADem Jan 2013 #8

It's only the Venezuelans' business to face that, not OURS. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #9

That is an ABSURD statement. If Obama disapppeared, it would not be a topic of interest just in MADem Jan 2013 #13

It's not going to destabilize OUR country if people spread rumors about Obama's health Ken Burch Jan 2013 #15

There's another strawman. No one needs to spread rumors, by not responding to questions, the VZ MADem Jan 2013 #16

"God Given Good Hair"? Why are you so fixated with the guy's 'do? Does it really matter? Ken Burch Jan 2013 #17

I thought you were familiar with the country and its language....and its politicians. MADem Jan 2013 #25

The Venezuelan government grants individuals a right to information. joshcryer Jan 2013 #24

I'm a fan of transparency. I don't see why they couldn't just take a quick picture of Hugo. MADem Jan 2013 #26

Why is it OUR business, though? Ken Burch Jan 2013 #29

Why is it your business to try and shut down conversation on this topic? MADem Jan 2013 #32

The man's health should not be a political issue. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #36

Um, the health of the head of state is in the constitution. joshcryer Jan 2013 #47

It's a CONSTITUTIONAL "interest" of the people of VZ. And it's an INTEREST of the people of the MADem Jan 2013 #60

You didn't answer the question and you just want to shut down discussion. joshcryer Jan 2013 #21

He didn't ask a valid question...its not our place to demand proof that Chavez is alive. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #28

Forever morally barred? Is that why we do business with them in the billions every year? MADem Jan 2013 #34

He gave you a hypothetical. joshcryer Jan 2013 #35

His "hypothetical" doesn't work in this situation. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #37

How on earth is revealing Chavez' health = coup? joshcryer Jan 2013 #45

Funny, isn't it....how this 'progressive' stance and crude oil speculation go msanthrope Jan 2013 #64

The post from Venezuela Analysis PROVED new elections aren't required. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #68

The Venezuela Analysis article doesn't address Article 234. joshcryer Jan 2013 #74

you really believe that talking about this on DU backwoodsbob Jan 2013 #53

Well... Chathamization Jan 2013 #54

There are some posters on DU who think that whatever goes on here msanthrope Jan 2013 #62

I see it as a real possibility. It's a whispering campaign. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #67

this is amazing backwoodsbob Jan 2013 #96

Normally I would disagree DonCoquixote Jan 2013 #2

Indeed. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #5

The only coup being pulled is by the homophobic bigot Maduro. joshcryer Jan 2013 #20

I don't know if God Given Hair is going to tolerate that.... MADem Jan 2013 #27

Cabello would be best suited to allow Maduro his madness. joshcryer Jan 2013 #46

That might be how it goes down...with The Hair claiming to be the heir! nt MADem Jan 2013 #59

He'd only serve until the next election, if he DID get in. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #30

The constitution is clear. The Executive Vice-President takes power in that event. joshcryer Jan 2013 #33

This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Burch Jan 2013 #38

You should read this. It puts to rest a lot of the claims you've heard: Ken Burch Jan 2013 #40

That does not address Article 234. joshcryer Jan 2013 #41

Said Orly Taitz while complaining about Obama's birth certificate Occulus Jan 2013 #79

Nice nasty insult to me. joshcryer Jan 2013 #80

I can't read Spanish myself and I won't trust a translator I already know to be biased Occulus Jan 2013 #85

Of course not, people who are nasty to me don't care about their nastiness. joshcryer Jan 2013 #86

Protip: if you're getting nastiness over this issue from people in general, and are getting it often Occulus Jan 2013 #89

People who are nasty to me bring nothing to the table. joshcryer Jan 2013 #90

Sigh ........ polly7 Jan 2013 #99

I'm surprised a Latin America right-winger hasn't ridiculed you already for not speaking Spanish. Judi Lynn Jan 2013 #91

Yeah, you care so much you can't be bothered to learn the language. joshcryer Jan 2013 #94

Thanks for posting that information in your thread. Judi Lynn Jan 2013 #48

+1000 nt. polly7 Jan 2013 #50

I'm saving up all my gravedancing for Cheney's day. JaneyVee Jan 2013 #3

+1 lunasun Jan 2013 #6

The Undead don't NEED graves, though. n/t. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #7

Chavez is a dictator. There should be elections after he, as expected, dies. bluestate10 Jan 2013 #10

He's no dictator...the man was just freely and fairly re-elected a few weeks ago. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #11

amen, and if I might add DonCoquixote Jan 2013 #12

That is right wing bs. roody Jan 2013 #14

Your statement that "Chavez is a dictator" is facially and ludicrously false. Comrade Grumpy Jan 2013 #18

Uh, Chavez has a 70% approval rating and was democratically elected by the people. JaneyVee Jan 2013 #49

Translation: No progressives should care about following constitutions. joshcryer Jan 2013 #19

That's not it...and it's not OUR country. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #22

I absolutely agree. joshcryer Jan 2013 #23

It's more of the usual, Ken Scootaloo Jan 2013 #31

NO, a lot of them don't. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #39

Excellent point Scootaloo n/t flamingdem Jan 2013 #55

. Prometheus_unbound Jan 2013 #42

I'd object to ALL of them. Chavez won because the people support him. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #69

How dare YOU write this sanctimonious, coercive demand? cali Jan 2013 #43

It's immoral to gloat about a democratically elected leader's possible death-in-office Ken Burch Jan 2013 #70

It's truly sad malaise Jan 2013 #44

Truly. Many in New England survived nasty winters because of Hugo's generosity! n/t flamingdem Jan 2013 #56

Many here in Alaska as well. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #92

+1 Thank you. polly7 Jan 2013 #51

Indeed...it's probably the most sickening thing I've ever seen on DU. n/t. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #97

It really is, but the Venezuelan people are saying Enough!. polly7 Jan 2013 #98

100% correct obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #52

The Venezuelan supreme court has ruled in favor of postponing the inauguration flamingdem Jan 2013 #57

And the meme has already been started here on DU that such an election would ONLY be legitimate Ken Burch Jan 2013 #71

Capriles is exactly what you have described flamingdem Jan 2013 #72

It's their country and their Constitutional crisis slackmaster Jan 2013 #58

Check the futures market on light crude. Now it becomes an international msanthrope Jan 2013 #65

I think Chavez is dead, Ken. msanthrope Jan 2013 #61

I think so too and I think his poor family is being manipulated. joshcryer Jan 2013 #75

Well, I wish him what I would wish any human--dignity at passing. msanthrope Jan 2013 #78

If a doc says "he'll recover" few will pull the plug. joshcryer Jan 2013 #81

"What will 'recovery' look like?" is a question few families will ask. Scary to contemplate msanthrope Jan 2013 #84

My dad was in that state. joshcryer Jan 2013 #87

Progressives shouldn't help Wall Street speculate on crude prices, either....but refusing to demand msanthrope Jan 2013 #63

If Cabello WilmywoodNCparalegal Jan 2013 #66

Chavez called for new elections and said Maduro should be party head. joshcryer Jan 2013 #76

No-one outside Venezuela has a right to an opinion Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #73

Everyone can say what they want as long as it's within the ToS of this site. joshcryer Jan 2013 #77

Not trying to shut down discussion Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #82

The question is shoud they keep his health secret indefinitely? joshcryer Jan 2013 #88

The Venezuelan government has issued daily reports on President Chavez' condition. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #93

Link me to todays report? joshcryer Jan 2013 #95

Wow mythology Jan 2013 #83