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Is it possible for a man to be a feminist? [View all] Nye Bevan Jan 2013 OP

Yes lunatica Jan 2013 #1

It depends on one's definition. Brickbat Jan 2013 #2

Indeed. It is possible for men to support feminist causes el_bryanto Jan 2013 #6

Exactly. Well said. Brickbat Jan 2013 #15

is the opposite true? hfojvt Jan 2013 #71

Yes, but I draw the line at wearing high heels. nt onehandle Jan 2013 #3

I don't. dawg Jan 2013 #4

Neither do these guys KamaAina Jan 2013 #40

And they rule! dawg Jan 2013 #44

I LOVE that photo! Those men are feminists. yardwork Jan 2013 #105

Really depends. Lots of American guys say closeupready Jan 2013 #5

I'm curious el_bryanto Jan 2013 #7

What I mean is, liking female anatomy doesn't make closeupready Jan 2013 #11

OK. Interesting response. el_bryanto Jan 2013 #12

Some women, certainly. The thread is about men, though, closeupready Jan 2013 #18

OK - than perhaps you would have better expressed yourself el_bryanto Jan 2013 #21

No, because the thread is about men, not men and women. closeupready Jan 2013 #25

So it is your opinion that most men el_bryanto Jan 2013 #29

Not complicated. The thread topic is about men, not women, not closeupready Jan 2013 #32

I enjoy discussion issues - that's why I participate on this board el_bryanto Jan 2013 #37

Okay, fair enough - that's a very plausible claim. closeupready Jan 2013 #39

Wow. Earth_First Jan 2013 #17

Trying to get this discussion off on the wrong foot already...? Earth_First Jan 2013 #8

That didn't take long. HappyMe Jan 2013 #19

I have to concur with that statement. Possible, but unlikely. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jan 2013 #34

Yes. Do I think men can truly understand many of the things women experience? No. NYC Liberal Jan 2013 #9

Yes, of course. Waiting For Everyman Jan 2013 #10

I "passed". I'm not at all concerned about the label & its application. My concern is attitudes KittyWampus Jan 2013 #13

i would have said yes in the past. i have learned different. why we decide with women, that men seabeyond Jan 2013 #14

Stop! Just STOP! closeupready Jan 2013 #20

i thought i was really being told seabeyond Jan 2013 #22

yeah, you know I get what you mean. closeupready Jan 2013 #27

exactly. the men bring in their issue and it switches to, what about the men. seabeyond Jan 2013 #28

Actually, I'm the one who brought up this issue, in a question to Will Pitt yesterday. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2013 #78

i answered your post seabeyond Jan 2013 #82

In that case, I'm sorry for misunderstanding you, and I thank you for answering DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2013 #84

ya, well even in replying to you i really did not get that. seabeyond Jan 2013 #89

If he didn't know your gender at the time of the posting his replies KitSileya Jan 2013 #50

LOL, yes, because men are smarter than women closeupready Jan 2013 #54

I must admit the past couple of days have been very discouraging in DU KitSileya Jan 2013 #56

Totally agree. closeupready Jan 2013 #60

it's us dumbfuck men. We're not very smart, and we bring contentiousness DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2013 #79

Glad we found some common ground. closeupready Jan 2013 #83

We haven't. I was just pointing out your bald hypocrisy DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2013 #85

I don't know what you're talking about, but closeupready Jan 2013 #99

truth is a problem too, is it? DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2013 #104

So does that mandate that men should not express opinions on traditionally feminist issues el_bryanto Jan 2013 #24

a man is more than welcome to express his opinion. just as i am with black and gay issues. i also seabeyond Jan 2013 #26

Not sure I agree with that el_bryanto Jan 2013 #35

One can be empathic without trying to be anyone's "voice." Jackpine Radical Jan 2013 #41

yes. men can be empathitic. yes. men can be a wonderful voice. seabeyond Jan 2013 #46

I agree with you. n/t MadrasT Jan 2013 #59

Yes. & It's also possible for a woman to be a masculinist & . . . patrice Jan 2013 #16

No. But they can be pro-feminism and support the cause.... Little Star Jan 2013 #23

If losing your dude card is "helping yourself", I agree. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #33

I say yes demokatgurrl Jan 2013 #30

Of course! Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #31

so i have to ask. if you are white can you be the voice for blacks. if you are straight, can you seabeyond Jan 2013 #36

Bravo. You put it so well there. closeupready Jan 2013 #38

+1 Activism springs from a degree of consciousness leftstreet Jan 2013 #42

This may be the crux of the issue - Being a Feminist may not mean "voice for woman" to all people el_bryanto Jan 2013 #43

"Being a Feminist may not mean "voice for woman" to all people". that would be the co opt of the seabeyond Jan 2013 #47

Well I think there are people who would disagree with your interpretation of Feminism el_bryanto Jan 2013 #57

each post i said men are valued, appreciated needed to SUPPORT. where have i ever suggested that men seabeyond Jan 2013 #61

I stand by that el_bryanto Jan 2013 #63

and again i ask you, do you have the same role in the black movement and the gay movement? nt seabeyond Jan 2013 #65

I don't agree that it is the same thing el_bryanto Jan 2013 #66

Very interesting -- you say, "it is easy to stand up for equal rights..." Waiting For Everyman Jan 2013 #67

Clearly this problem is linguistic, not political Proud Public Servant Jan 2013 #45

Very well said. HappyMe Jan 2013 #49

read my post above. 47. here is a cutsey onion article on it. seabeyond Jan 2013 #51

I take your point in post 47 Proud Public Servant Jan 2013 #62

as i say, i have not seen it. seabeyond Jan 2013 #68

so, seabeyond Jan 2013 #69

Somewhat, I suppose Proud Public Servant Jan 2013 #81

pro femism or allie to feminist is just fine. why do you need a title? you do not need a title seabeyond Jan 2013 #86

You are right that could have been better worded el_bryanto Jan 2013 #88

but it is womans movement just like it is blacks and gay movement. WOMEN define themselves, not men seabeyond Jan 2013 #91

Maybe an example would help me understand el_bryanto Jan 2013 #93

participate. discussing beast sitting up an abusive relationship dont say, but men are abused too. seabeyond Jan 2013 #111

Hmmmmmmm el_bryanto Jan 2013 #114

My answer to all 7 of those questions would be "no". Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #48

right, because for some reason in a patriarchy the womans movement would be different. go figure. nt seabeyond Jan 2013 #53

+1 forestpath Jan 2013 #52

"The voice"? No. "A voice" yes. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #72

I don't think that identifying as a feminist means that people claim to speak for women. yardwork Jan 2013 #106

as i have said repeatedly, i use to believe that. and maybe the experience over the last year seabeyond Jan 2013 #112

I agree that it takes more than saying one is a feminist to be one. yardwork Jan 2013 #115

What a horrible analogy, and it's part of the problem... MellowDem Jan 2013 #116

Despite what Will Pitt thinks demwing Jan 2013 #55

it's not be possible for a man to advocate for equal social, political, legal and economic rights f seabeyond Jan 2013 #58

It's a basic categorical syllogism demwing Jan 2013 #64

For some reason... Jeff In Milwaukee Jan 2013 #70

If feminism were about equality, then of course they could. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #73

The other end of the rope - interesting terminology el_bryanto Jan 2013 #75

Interesting that some people see this as an "adversarial" issue. (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #90

It is, and arguably should be. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #100

No more so than women's end of the rope is holding men back. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #92

I am. Taverner Jan 2013 #74

This isn't a productive question Aerows Jan 2013 #76

That is it in a nutshell. Rex Jan 2013 #77

I'm for equal rights for everyone, for every human being. MissMarple Jan 2013 #80

I don't think so. NCTraveler Jan 2013 #87

Agreed. 1-Old-Man Jan 2013 #95

No. redqueen Jan 2013 #94

by Brian Klocke. So he's the voice of feminism? He decides what it is? Waiting For Everyman Jan 2013 #101

That in no way follows logically from what I posted. redqueen Jan 2013 #107

You are offering his points with his link, aren't you? Waiting For Everyman Jan 2013 #108

I can find so many more by women and post them here. redqueen Jan 2013 #113

I am a feminist and I am a male. eltopomaravilloso Jan 2013 #96

My husband, my son and my two sons in law are all feminist males. CTyankee Jan 2013 #97

I'm very much anti misogyny and pro equal rights. War Horse Jan 2013 #98

Yes. My two sons are definitely feminists. yardwork Jan 2013 #102

It depends on how you define it gollygee Jan 2013 #103

I don't want to seem petty about this, but I say no, not really. Quantess Jan 2013 #109

"Men, in this patriarchal system, cannot remove themselves from their power and privilege Little Star Jan 2013 #110