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DanTex

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22. NRA talking points...

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 10:54 AM

Jan 2013

Study after study has found that gun availability is linked to higher homicide rates. The whole "it's just a tool" argument is completely idiotic. The US doesn't have higher violent crime rates than the rest of the developed world, but our homicide rates are way off the chart.

Why? Because in the US it's much easier to get a gun, and guns are much more lethal than fists or knives or clubs.

It's really pretty simple. The guns are not a symptom. The guns are a cause.

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What was Jon Stewart's exact quote last night on dystopias and gun violence? [View all] Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2013 OP

Find it here and yes it was freaking perfect malaise Jan 2013 #1

Oh thank you for that link zeemike Jan 2013 #40

You're welcome malaise Jan 2013 #82

Few could honestly claim to be giving an exact quote unless they googled first. merrily Jan 2013 #2

What is this Google of which you speak? Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #3

Actually, I'm the only one who has access to it. Forget I mentioned it. merrily Jan 2013 #8

That sounds like sorcery, and you must be a witch. It's best we make no further mention. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #73

Here's my transcript of the last part of the segment: JHB Jan 2013 #4

And some of them even want to shoot us dead because we dare speak about our actual dystopic present. tridim Jan 2013 #5

You got cause and effect mixed up bongbong Jan 2013 #51

Once again it takes comedians to take on the sacred cows of our politics MightyMopar Jan 2013 #6

It sickens me RBKA extremists uses Afghanistan to justify having assault rifles MightyMopar Jan 2013 #11

100% correct...and you didn't use Google? malaise Jan 2013 #7

I did say "few." People with eidetic memories would be one of the exceptions. merrily Jan 2013 #9

You missed my point malaise Jan 2013 #10

No, you missed my point. Also, merrily Jan 2013 #13

I've posted this on two threads before, but I will post it again. merrily Jan 2013 #12

Voters are the ultimate control of legislators. Just because they are too stupid... Walk away Jan 2013 #31

Here's a graphic: OneGrassRoot Jan 2013 #14

+1 Baitball Blogger Jan 2013 #15

Thanks. nt Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2013 #21

the circular logic of the right wing gun crowd... Javaman Jan 2013 #16

excellent observation! stole it for my Facebook page hope you don't mind! DebJ Jan 2013 #17

Yes, because everyone knows all wars are won only by fighter planes. eqfan592 Jan 2013 #19

Hey - that DID happen...wasn't that called "Red Dawn"? nt jmg257 Jan 2013 #32

I think it was called "Afghanistan" /nt demwing Jan 2013 #77

No bongbong Jan 2013 #52

Perfect only in its idiocy. eqfan592 Jan 2013 #18

Fuck Ron Paul. (nt) Robb Jan 2013 #20

NRA talking points... DanTex Jan 2013 #22

Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #24

By the time you read this, you will most likely be gone. But whatever. Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2013 #25

Still Here Ruttersville Jan 2013 #74

Mwa-ha-ha-ha! Mwa-ha-ha-ha! Mwa-ha-ha-ha! Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2013 #84

LOL. Welcome to DU. Enjoy your stay. DanTex Jan 2013 #27

Correlation, Correlation, and look at that, more Correlation. eqfan592 Jan 2013 #28

Wow, you read all of those studies in two minutes? DanTex Jan 2013 #30

Were any of those studies making a first time appearance on the DanTex Show? eqfan592 Jan 2013 #37

In other words, no. DanTex Jan 2013 #43

lol, I do understand the evidence. eqfan592 Jan 2013 #46

It's actually pretty clear that you don't. DanTex Jan 2013 #48

I don't know how you do it, Dan bongbong Jan 2013 #54

It's like all the NRA trolls went to the same propaganda camp! DanTex Jan 2013 #57

The Talking Points have two goals bongbong Jan 2013 #59

I have greatly enjoyed my stay here, Ruttersville Jan 2013 #75

Of course! It's all a conspiracy by "big gun control". LOL. DanTex Jan 2013 #76

LOL is right! Ruttersville Jan 2013 #78

So far, neither you nor anyone else has pointed out a single flaw in any of those studies. DanTex Jan 2013 #80

Oh please, try not to laugh. Try not to laugh if someone you love is a victim mountain grammy Jan 2013 #33

Argument from emotion. Truly the only path to a rational response to an issue like violent crime. nt eqfan592 Jan 2013 #38

No, let's argue about statistics instead...all so very cold and calculating. jmg257 Jan 2013 #56

Those aren't statistics. eqfan592 Jan 2013 #60

Oh, don't like those numbers? How about these? jmg257 Jan 2013 #68

Correlate this: Ruttersville Jan 2013 #79

No - its much better to pretend they did not ALL KILL USING GUNS!! jmg257 Jan 2013 #81

Oohhhhh...BIG mistake - asking DanT for evidence?!? jmg257 Jan 2013 #39

If only the supposed evidence he had showed anything beyond a lose correlation at best. eqfan592 Jan 2013 #42

Do you trust this? If there were no guns there would be no gun violence? jmg257 Jan 2013 #45

Except a reduction in gun related violence does not automatically equate to a reduction in violent.. eqfan592 Jan 2013 #47

Actually, reduction in gun related violences results in less death. DanTex Jan 2013 #49

You make a claim based on an assumption, then yell at me about not knowing the "basic facts." eqfan592 Jan 2013 #58

Insanity bongbong Jan 2013 #62

Umm, no the claim is based on statistics. DanTex Jan 2013 #63

A good article?????/ eqfan592 Jan 2013 #65

Do you have any criticism of it? DanTex Jan 2013 #70

We would have achieved exactly what we all want - a drastic reduction in gun-related violence jmg257 Jan 2013 #50

Excellent analogy. You hit that nail right on it's head. Alcohol and guns are alike. A Simple Game Jan 2013 #72

lol, Hi, DanTex. eqfan592 Jan 2013 #26

Sorry, but outside the NRA bubble, youtube videos don't qualify as scientific evidence... DanTex Jan 2013 #29

Peer reviewed studies that, at best, show a correlative relationship, are of no interest to me. eqfan592 Jan 2013 #35

Interesting that you have such strong opinions without actually reading any of the studies. DanTex Jan 2013 #44

" That the relationship holds up even after controlling for various socioeconomic factors" eqfan592 Jan 2013 #53

Again, you really need to read the studies. And also take a basic class in statistics. DanTex Jan 2013 #55

I love it, so you admit that the studies failed to address this major flaw... eqfan592 Jan 2013 #64

LOL. What "major flaw" would that be? DanTex Jan 2013 #67

What proposed gun control was that? His point was getting the talks about gun control going. jmg257 Jan 2013 #36

30,000 associated with guns, not violent crimes. eqfan592 Jan 2013 #41

Yes - 30,000 deaths, and who knows how many injuries, all related to guns. jmg257 Jan 2013 #61

And that is why you'll fail. eqfan592 Jan 2013 #66

You left out something important I think - you haven't said WHY it would fail(?). Do you jmg257 Jan 2013 #69

I too often used to call comedy sketches idiotic merely because.. LanternWaste Jan 2013 #71

so what's your proposal then for the "root causes", if anything? Blue_Tires Jan 2013 #83

Last night was Jon Stewart's Fantastic Rant liberal N proud Jan 2013 #23

re:What was Jon Stewart's exact quote last night on dystopias and gun violence? allan01 Jan 2013 #34