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HiPointDem

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10. medicare tax is a surcharge on *most* capital income over a cap, not just on S-T cap gains.
Mon Jan 7, 2013, 12:43 AM
Jan 2013

its own tax, a one off, & it was put in place *before* the fiscal cliff deal (in 2010, to go into effect in 2013).

sorry, you can't add it to every capital gains tax and claim that that's the new rate. it's not the new rate. the new rate for short-term cap gains is the same as the income tax top rate.

The medicare tax is a surcharge on ALL UNEARNED INCOME ABOVE A CAP (which I presume is now $400K rather than $200K, though that isn't immediately clear).

That is, if you had $100K of short-term cap gains, $200K of long-term cap gains, & $99K of stock dividends, you'd only be charged the 3.8% on income above the cap -- in this case, nothing.


It's not a tax on short-term capital gains. It's a tax on the sum total of capital income over a certain threshhold.

Your attempt to paint it as such is simply FALSE.

Where is the 3.8% tax found and when will it take effect?

Section 1402 of the Health Care and Reconciliation Act of 2010, which amends the Patient Protections and Affordable Care Act, outlines the new unearned income Medicare tax, and goes into effect January 1, 2013.

Who is subject to this tax?

Taxpayers with incomes or an adjustable gross income (AGI) over $200,000 who file individually or $250,000 for married couples filing jointly could be subject to this tax. The provision imposes a 3.8 percent tax (identical to the combined employer/employee tax rates on earned income) on income from interest, dividends, annuities, royalties and rents which are not derived in the ordinary course of trade or business, excluding active S corporation or partnership income.

Gross income does not include items, such as interest on tax-exempt bonds, veterans’ benefits, which are excluded from gross income under the income tax. If capital gains on a primary home sale exceed $250,000 for individuals or $500,000 for a married couple, and the income threshold is met, the excess realized gain is subject to the 3.8% tax.

How does this relate to the sale of a home?

There is no sales tax on home sales in the Reconciliation Act; instead, there is a tax which includes capital gains, rents, dividends and interest income that will only apply to taxpayers under limited conditions.

When determining if an individual or a couple is subject to the 3.8% tax:

A home sale MAY result in a capital gain that increases net investment income A home sale MAY result in a capital gain that increases a taxpayer’s AGI.

http://health.burgess.house.gov/uploadedfiles/one_page_on_unearned_medicare_tax.pdf

Is naked capitalism your new wsws?...nt SidDithers Jan 2013 #1
No, what you posted is propaganda. ProSense Jan 2013 #2
First, short-term capital gains were taxed at regular income tax rates before the deal, & still HiPointDem Jan 2013 #4
Oh, ProSense Jan 2013 #8
medicare tax is a surcharge on *most* capital income over a cap, not just on S-T cap gains. HiPointDem Jan 2013 #10
Yes, it is. ProSense Jan 2013 #11
You'd better read what i wrote again, & the source material i posted, because you're flat wrong. HiPointDem Jan 2013 #12
No, ProSense Jan 2013 #13
your link doesn't say what you're claiming. HiPointDem Jan 2013 #15
It says exactly that, but ProSense Jan 2013 #16
where does it say 'exactly that'? HiPointDem Jan 2013 #17
It says ProSense Jan 2013 #18
i take that as an admission that it doesn't say what you just claimed. HiPointDem Jan 2013 #19
yeah sure hfojvt Jan 2013 #21
Wow is this article wrong jeff47 Jan 2013 #3
not sure what you're claiming here, but: HiPointDem Jan 2013 #5
You really should read the article jeff47 Jan 2013 #6
you didn't hear me. no sense talking to you. HiPointDem Jan 2013 #14
Again, your blogger is wrong. jeff47 Jan 2013 #25
the 'blogger' (a tax lawyer) is not the only person saying so. HiPointDem Jan 2013 #27
You just contradicted your first blogger jeff47 Jan 2013 #28
the first source doesn't claim the rate reverts to an expired law. you're blowing smoke, goodbye. HiPointDem Jan 2013 #29
Go look up 4 posts. jeff47 Jan 2013 #31
and the new legislation doesn't mention qualified dividends & does remain tied to capital gains HiPointDem Jan 2013 #32
You're almost there. jeff47 Jan 2013 #33
the links say otherwise. you're blowing smoke. HiPointDem Jan 2013 #34
please provide me with a source that supports your claim that qualified dividends no longer HiPointDem Jan 2013 #35
I already did. Look up the thread for the Wikipedia link. jeff47 Jan 2013 #36
i've provided 5 links, all saying the same thing. i'm not going to search this thread for a HiPointDem Jan 2013 #38
You can't find post #3? jeff47 Jan 2013 #39
rec cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #7
It's nonsense. n/t ProSense Jan 2013 #9
while I agree with the title hfojvt Jan 2013 #20
In at least one important area the article UNDERSTATES the situation. Faryn Balyncd Jan 2013 #22
+1 HiPointDem Jan 2013 #30
Most progressive tax code since Reagan isn't saying much anyway gollygee Jan 2013 #23
ironic though; top rate was higher during most of reagan admin. HiPointDem Jan 2013 #26
For Obama, a Victory That Also Holds Risks ProSense Jan 2013 #24
There is nothing progressive about any tax code... kentuck Jan 2013 #37
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