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In reply to the discussion: Fact - Guns Have One Purpose - To Destroy What Is In Front Of The Barrel [View all]Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)185. If NRA was interested in protecting the right to bear arms they would promote less killing.
In recent weeks have they promoted safety? No, they have promoted more guns. Their answer to prevent mass killings have teachers pack guns. Did not prevent the many times when shooters from entering police departments nor many other places where mass murders have occurred but it did sell guns. I think the answer will be requirements of large liability policies and yearly license procedures. Want the big guns and ability of that weapon to fire many rounds without reloading then pay up. Perhaps tax the guns and ammo. It will cost to play. With any regulation I am sorry to say it does not reverse the damage to innocent people.
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Fact - Guns Have One Purpose - To Destroy What Is In Front Of The Barrel [View all]
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
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Fact - Societies Change - DUI Laws, Gay Rights, Civil Rights - Gun Access Can Change as Well
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#4
Fact - You Are A good Comedian by Implying That Only Guns Can Be Used To Hunt Wild Game
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#85
To The Contrary - Anything Created By Man Can Be UnCreated By Man - Guns In Society Are Not A Given
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#129
Your Reference Is Too Obscure - Was This An attempt At Humor Or Sarcasm - If So, Both Failed
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#147
So This Was An Ad Hominen Attack Based On Ridicule - Surely You Can Do Better
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#168
Yet You Admitted To Using Ridicule To Debase Me - What Else Can That Be Than Ad Hominen
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#175
When One Cannot Defend A Position One Attacks The Messenger - Classic Debating Mistake
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#93
All Change Begins With A First Step - That Some Are Unwilling To Take That Step Speaks Volumes
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#149
Be Advised That Your Post Is Considered An Ad Hominen Attack Under The DU Community Rules
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#102
And You Have Just Admitted That The Attack Was Ad Hominen - Thanks For Outing Yourself
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#148
Efficiency Is Not The Argument At Hand - There Are Other Methods For Hunting Wild Game
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#91
The Original Post Only Considers Firearms - The Discussion Has Not Been Broadened
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#96
Seems Our Literature Is Replete With Stories Of Many Trappers That Used A Snare For Wild Game
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#108
Notice I said that rifles were "generally" used to bring down larger game.
tradecenter
Jan 2013
#246
You won't get any argument from me about what the Europeans did to the Native Americans.
tradecenter
Jan 2013
#251
No Advocacy Was Made - That Guns Are The Only Option For Those That Need To Feed Themselves
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#151
actually, crossbows are the alternative. But since I'm refuting the OP'er I didn't mention it.
KittyWampus
Jan 2013
#211
Oops, after checking I just realized that crossbows are no longer legal in NY state.
KittyWampus
Jan 2013
#228
No because I doubt that "many" people in the us use hunting as their primary food source.
Warren Stupidity
Jan 2013
#111
Actually, you are the one making an unsubstantiated claim. That no Americans rely on hunting f/food.
KittyWampus
Jan 2013
#212
If Guns Are Not Part Of The Society Then The Losses Will Be Astronomically Low
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#48
All Points Raised Have Been Addressed - Maybe The Logic Is Too Unsettling For Some
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#58
There Is No Logical Fallacy - Each Statement Proceeds Logically From The One Before
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#160
More Misdirection - Maybe One Should Reread The OP - Society Has A Choice To Make
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#165
It Appears That One Is Unwilling To Face Their Personal Choice Which Has Become Clear In Context
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#169
You Appear To Be Advocating For The "Acceptable Losses" Policy In That The Problem Is So
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#171
All That Reads As Rationalization To Justify "Acceptable Losses" - Sometimes The Truth Is Unsettling
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#174
Each And Every Counter Argument Has Been Addressed As Deflecting Rhetoric From The OP
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#153
So - It Would Be Acceptable If We Nominate Your Loved Ones To Be The Next "Acceptable Loss"?
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#262
If We Accept "Acceptable Losses" We Are Accepting A Probability - What Probability Will You Accept?
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#267
Yes - That Is The Question That The "Acceptable Losses" Crowd Must Address
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#21
No guns means un-inventing them and putting society back to conditions in the early 14th Century.
slackmaster
Jan 2013
#12
Some Said That Woman Would Never Receive The Right To Vote - Nay Saying Is Predictable
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#14
You have one thing right. The root purpose of a gun is to destroy something.
slackmaster
Jan 2013
#15
You're asking for a guarantee that bad things won't happen, in a world where bad things happen
slackmaster
Jan 2013
#18
No - Bad Things Happen - However, Those Bad Things Do Not Have To Be Caused By A Gun
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#20
Any Firearm Use In The Act Of A Crime Will Be Met With An Automatic Judgment Of Death By The State
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#47
To Discourage Those That Would Choose To Use A Gun To Destroy Others - A Fair Question To Raise
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#62
The Use Of THe Death Penalty To Deter Crime Is A Fair Question For Another Discussion
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#66
Why are you so cruel?..here is a case where just what you propose has happened
PrincetonTiger2009
Jan 2013
#259
Logic: "the science that investigates the principles governing correct or reliable inference"
geckosfeet
Jan 2013
#22
No - Your Desire To Negate Logic Is The Unsupportable Assertion - The OP Logic Is Unassailable
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#23
The Logic Remains Unassailable - To Eliminate Destruction By Firearms - Eliminate The Firearms
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#100
Sure, and to eliminate destruction caused by drunk driving, eliminate alcohol.
Common Sense Party
Jan 2013
#253
Fact - Nothing On This Earth Has To Be Part Of Any Culture Should The Society Decide It So
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#41
Logic Stands On Its Own - Making The Case Is Simple - Do We Want People To Die By Firearms?
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#30
Of course. But as I said, the logic in your initial post doesn't speak to attainability.
Lizzie Poppet
Jan 2013
#36
Fact - Attainability Is Not An Impediment - We Changed DUI Laws, Smoking Laws, Marriage Laws Etc...
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#39
Fact - Booze And Pot Do Not Have As Their Fundamental Purpose To Destroy Something Or Someone
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#54
Fact - Any Amendment To The Constitution Can Be Repealed - It Is Part Of Our Constitution
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#65
Fact - That Society Chooses To Condone Unacceptable Behavior Is Clear - Gun Violence This Discussion
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#73
Nothing Was Ignored - The Choice Is Clear - "Acceptable Losses" From Guns Or A Zero Tolerance Policy
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#78
I Totally and Unequivocably Choose "Acceptable Losses" Over a Zero Tolerance Policy.
NYC_SKP
Jan 2013
#106
None - You Have Chosen To Relive The Terror Of Newtown On A Ongoing Basis - That Speaks Volumes
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#156
Be Advised - That Is Considered An Ad Hominen Attack And Is Against The Rules Of DU
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#32
Well - If The Ad Hominen Attacks Continue It Is Within The Community Rules To Alert
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#40
And I encourage that...but without a lot of confidence in things changing.
Lizzie Poppet
Jan 2013
#51
False Equivalencies - All Guns Can Be Eliminated Long Before The Sun Goes Nova - As For Norway
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#82
Reread The Original Post More Carefully - Pay Attention To What Was Not Said
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#103
Truly This Post Does Represent A Logical Absurdity Because It Begins With A Non-Tangible Proposition
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#114
Facts Speak For Themselves - Logic Is Logic - The Fantasy Is That Nothing Can Be Done
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#138
My User Name Is Not The Topic At Hand - Is Attacking The Messenger The Best You Have To Offer?
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#113
If One Is A Right Wing Troll Or A NRA Shill Then That Is Not Necessarily An Ad Hominen Attack
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#133
Ahhh. This type of rhetoric feeds right in to NRA's rhetoric about gun grabbers
aikoaiko
Jan 2013
#109
No Troll - Have Voted Progressively My Entire Life - Logic Dictates That A Choice Be Made
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#134
Logic Dictates That We Do Not Conflate The Issues - Stick With One Challenge At A Time
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#143
No - Logic Dictates Otherwise - It Is Society That Deems Dead Children As "Acceptable Losses"
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#132
Fact - Defeatist Attitudes Will Doom Most Endeavors - You Knew That When You Posted
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#130
Glad That The Unnecessary Deaths Of Innocent Woman And Children Brings You Amusement
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#135
Not Leaning On Tragedy - The Tragedy Is The Motivation And Root Of The OP Logic
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#144
The OP States The Facts And Draws A Conclusion Based On Logic - Society Must Choose
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#183
Society Must Choose Which Methods Of Death Are Acceptable And Unacceptable
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#195
Reread The Original Post More Carefully - Pay Attention To What Was Not Said
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#136
Fact - Prohibitions fail. You'll never eliminate most of the 300,000,000 firearms. n/t
OneTenthofOnePercent
Jan 2013
#142
There's a difference between being realistic and unecessarily defeatist.
OneTenthofOnePercent
Jan 2013
#219
False Misdirection - Eliminating Guns Would Mean Stiff Penalties For Those Breaking New Gun Laws
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#154
So you're a Death Penalty Advocate then? We have that already. Doesn't stop murderers.
cherokeeprogressive
Jan 2013
#161
No Advocacy Was Made - It Is Axiomatic That Guns Will Exist Elsewhere - Those Choosing To Use Guns
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#164
If NRA was interested in protecting the right to bear arms they would promote less killing.
Thinkingabout
Jan 2013
#185
Works for me. Unfortunately it'll never happen, just like I won't wake up tomorrow a size 5.
MotherPetrie
Jan 2013
#186
All Change Begins With the First Step - Society Must Choose If "Acceptable Losses" Are To Be Tolerated
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#189
The Self Defense Argument As One Of The Many Compromises Justifying "Acceptable Losses"
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#188
Yes - Your Position Is Clear - The Price Of Gun Ownership Is "Acceptable Losses" In Society
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#193
How else are you suggesting people defend themselves in their homes?
Common Sense Party
Jan 2013
#254
Glad That The Unnecessary Deaths Of Innocent Woman And Children Brings You Amusement
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#199
There Was No Mention Of Disarming The Well Regulated Militia That Is Our Army, Navy And Air Force
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#205
So, what's your point? Does the number of existing guns change his fact with regards to the
jmg257
Jan 2013
#226
Glad To See You Enjoying Your Snooze When The Parents Of Sandy Hook Will Live A Life Of Tragedy
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#265
I'm not willing to be under teabagger rule in order to have a gun free America
ecstatic
Jan 2013
#261
The One Pulling The Trigger Reverts To The Definition Above - Destroy What Is In Front Of The Barrel
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#264
No Dream - Societies Change - Guns Can Be Purged - All It Takes Is Courage And The First Step
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#273
Keep making the NRA's case for them, that gun controllers really want to ban all guns.
LAGC
Jan 2013
#277
Ah, One Misses The Point Entirely - Shame That Your Mind And Eyes Are So Myopic
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#278
On the day you eliminate guns from the world, the following will happen:
GreenStormCloud
Jan 2013
#281
What A Pessimistic World View You Espouse - That Humanity Cannot Grow And Change - You Have My Pity
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#282