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In reply to the discussion: Fact - Guns Have One Purpose - To Destroy What Is In Front Of The Barrel [View all]cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)145. Fact - Defeatist Thinking Will Doom Most Endeavors
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Fact - Guns Have One Purpose - To Destroy What Is In Front Of The Barrel [View all]
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
OP
Fact - Societies Change - DUI Laws, Gay Rights, Civil Rights - Gun Access Can Change as Well
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#4
Fact - You Are A good Comedian by Implying That Only Guns Can Be Used To Hunt Wild Game
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#85
To The Contrary - Anything Created By Man Can Be UnCreated By Man - Guns In Society Are Not A Given
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#129
Your Reference Is Too Obscure - Was This An attempt At Humor Or Sarcasm - If So, Both Failed
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#147
So This Was An Ad Hominen Attack Based On Ridicule - Surely You Can Do Better
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#168
Yet You Admitted To Using Ridicule To Debase Me - What Else Can That Be Than Ad Hominen
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#175
When One Cannot Defend A Position One Attacks The Messenger - Classic Debating Mistake
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#93
All Change Begins With A First Step - That Some Are Unwilling To Take That Step Speaks Volumes
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#149
Be Advised That Your Post Is Considered An Ad Hominen Attack Under The DU Community Rules
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#102
And You Have Just Admitted That The Attack Was Ad Hominen - Thanks For Outing Yourself
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#148
Efficiency Is Not The Argument At Hand - There Are Other Methods For Hunting Wild Game
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#91
The Original Post Only Considers Firearms - The Discussion Has Not Been Broadened
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#96
Seems Our Literature Is Replete With Stories Of Many Trappers That Used A Snare For Wild Game
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#108
Notice I said that rifles were "generally" used to bring down larger game.
tradecenter
Jan 2013
#246
You won't get any argument from me about what the Europeans did to the Native Americans.
tradecenter
Jan 2013
#251
No Advocacy Was Made - That Guns Are The Only Option For Those That Need To Feed Themselves
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#151
actually, crossbows are the alternative. But since I'm refuting the OP'er I didn't mention it.
KittyWampus
Jan 2013
#211
Oops, after checking I just realized that crossbows are no longer legal in NY state.
KittyWampus
Jan 2013
#228
No because I doubt that "many" people in the us use hunting as their primary food source.
Warren Stupidity
Jan 2013
#111
Actually, you are the one making an unsubstantiated claim. That no Americans rely on hunting f/food.
KittyWampus
Jan 2013
#212
If Guns Are Not Part Of The Society Then The Losses Will Be Astronomically Low
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#48
All Points Raised Have Been Addressed - Maybe The Logic Is Too Unsettling For Some
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#58
There Is No Logical Fallacy - Each Statement Proceeds Logically From The One Before
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#160
More Misdirection - Maybe One Should Reread The OP - Society Has A Choice To Make
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#165
It Appears That One Is Unwilling To Face Their Personal Choice Which Has Become Clear In Context
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#169
You Appear To Be Advocating For The "Acceptable Losses" Policy In That The Problem Is So
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#171
All That Reads As Rationalization To Justify "Acceptable Losses" - Sometimes The Truth Is Unsettling
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#174
Each And Every Counter Argument Has Been Addressed As Deflecting Rhetoric From The OP
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#153
So - It Would Be Acceptable If We Nominate Your Loved Ones To Be The Next "Acceptable Loss"?
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#262
If We Accept "Acceptable Losses" We Are Accepting A Probability - What Probability Will You Accept?
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#267
Yes - That Is The Question That The "Acceptable Losses" Crowd Must Address
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#21
No guns means un-inventing them and putting society back to conditions in the early 14th Century.
slackmaster
Jan 2013
#12
Some Said That Woman Would Never Receive The Right To Vote - Nay Saying Is Predictable
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#14
You have one thing right. The root purpose of a gun is to destroy something.
slackmaster
Jan 2013
#15
You're asking for a guarantee that bad things won't happen, in a world where bad things happen
slackmaster
Jan 2013
#18
No - Bad Things Happen - However, Those Bad Things Do Not Have To Be Caused By A Gun
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#20
Any Firearm Use In The Act Of A Crime Will Be Met With An Automatic Judgment Of Death By The State
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#47
To Discourage Those That Would Choose To Use A Gun To Destroy Others - A Fair Question To Raise
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#62
The Use Of THe Death Penalty To Deter Crime Is A Fair Question For Another Discussion
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#66
Why are you so cruel?..here is a case where just what you propose has happened
PrincetonTiger2009
Jan 2013
#259
Logic: "the science that investigates the principles governing correct or reliable inference"
geckosfeet
Jan 2013
#22
No - Your Desire To Negate Logic Is The Unsupportable Assertion - The OP Logic Is Unassailable
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#23
The Logic Remains Unassailable - To Eliminate Destruction By Firearms - Eliminate The Firearms
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#100
Sure, and to eliminate destruction caused by drunk driving, eliminate alcohol.
Common Sense Party
Jan 2013
#253
Fact - Nothing On This Earth Has To Be Part Of Any Culture Should The Society Decide It So
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#41
Logic Stands On Its Own - Making The Case Is Simple - Do We Want People To Die By Firearms?
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#30
Of course. But as I said, the logic in your initial post doesn't speak to attainability.
Lizzie Poppet
Jan 2013
#36
Fact - Attainability Is Not An Impediment - We Changed DUI Laws, Smoking Laws, Marriage Laws Etc...
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#39
Fact - Booze And Pot Do Not Have As Their Fundamental Purpose To Destroy Something Or Someone
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#54
Fact - Any Amendment To The Constitution Can Be Repealed - It Is Part Of Our Constitution
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#65
Fact - That Society Chooses To Condone Unacceptable Behavior Is Clear - Gun Violence This Discussion
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#73
Nothing Was Ignored - The Choice Is Clear - "Acceptable Losses" From Guns Or A Zero Tolerance Policy
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#78
I Totally and Unequivocably Choose "Acceptable Losses" Over a Zero Tolerance Policy.
NYC_SKP
Jan 2013
#106
None - You Have Chosen To Relive The Terror Of Newtown On A Ongoing Basis - That Speaks Volumes
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#156
Be Advised - That Is Considered An Ad Hominen Attack And Is Against The Rules Of DU
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#32
Well - If The Ad Hominen Attacks Continue It Is Within The Community Rules To Alert
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#40
And I encourage that...but without a lot of confidence in things changing.
Lizzie Poppet
Jan 2013
#51
False Equivalencies - All Guns Can Be Eliminated Long Before The Sun Goes Nova - As For Norway
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#82
Reread The Original Post More Carefully - Pay Attention To What Was Not Said
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#103
Truly This Post Does Represent A Logical Absurdity Because It Begins With A Non-Tangible Proposition
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#114
Facts Speak For Themselves - Logic Is Logic - The Fantasy Is That Nothing Can Be Done
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#138
My User Name Is Not The Topic At Hand - Is Attacking The Messenger The Best You Have To Offer?
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#113
If One Is A Right Wing Troll Or A NRA Shill Then That Is Not Necessarily An Ad Hominen Attack
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#133
Ahhh. This type of rhetoric feeds right in to NRA's rhetoric about gun grabbers
aikoaiko
Jan 2013
#109
No Troll - Have Voted Progressively My Entire Life - Logic Dictates That A Choice Be Made
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#134
Logic Dictates That We Do Not Conflate The Issues - Stick With One Challenge At A Time
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#143
No - Logic Dictates Otherwise - It Is Society That Deems Dead Children As "Acceptable Losses"
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#132
Fact - Defeatist Attitudes Will Doom Most Endeavors - You Knew That When You Posted
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#130
Glad That The Unnecessary Deaths Of Innocent Woman And Children Brings You Amusement
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#135
Not Leaning On Tragedy - The Tragedy Is The Motivation And Root Of The OP Logic
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#144
The OP States The Facts And Draws A Conclusion Based On Logic - Society Must Choose
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#183
Society Must Choose Which Methods Of Death Are Acceptable And Unacceptable
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#195
Reread The Original Post More Carefully - Pay Attention To What Was Not Said
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#136
Fact - Prohibitions fail. You'll never eliminate most of the 300,000,000 firearms. n/t
OneTenthofOnePercent
Jan 2013
#142
There's a difference between being realistic and unecessarily defeatist.
OneTenthofOnePercent
Jan 2013
#219
False Misdirection - Eliminating Guns Would Mean Stiff Penalties For Those Breaking New Gun Laws
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#154
So you're a Death Penalty Advocate then? We have that already. Doesn't stop murderers.
cherokeeprogressive
Jan 2013
#161
No Advocacy Was Made - It Is Axiomatic That Guns Will Exist Elsewhere - Those Choosing To Use Guns
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#164
If NRA was interested in protecting the right to bear arms they would promote less killing.
Thinkingabout
Jan 2013
#185
Works for me. Unfortunately it'll never happen, just like I won't wake up tomorrow a size 5.
MotherPetrie
Jan 2013
#186
All Change Begins With the First Step - Society Must Choose If "Acceptable Losses" Are To Be Tolerated
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#189
The Self Defense Argument As One Of The Many Compromises Justifying "Acceptable Losses"
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#188
Yes - Your Position Is Clear - The Price Of Gun Ownership Is "Acceptable Losses" In Society
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#193
How else are you suggesting people defend themselves in their homes?
Common Sense Party
Jan 2013
#254
Glad That The Unnecessary Deaths Of Innocent Woman And Children Brings You Amusement
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#199
There Was No Mention Of Disarming The Well Regulated Militia That Is Our Army, Navy And Air Force
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#205
So, what's your point? Does the number of existing guns change his fact with regards to the
jmg257
Jan 2013
#226
Glad To See You Enjoying Your Snooze When The Parents Of Sandy Hook Will Live A Life Of Tragedy
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#265
I'm not willing to be under teabagger rule in order to have a gun free America
ecstatic
Jan 2013
#261
The One Pulling The Trigger Reverts To The Definition Above - Destroy What Is In Front Of The Barrel
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#264
No Dream - Societies Change - Guns Can Be Purged - All It Takes Is Courage And The First Step
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#273
Keep making the NRA's case for them, that gun controllers really want to ban all guns.
LAGC
Jan 2013
#277
Ah, One Misses The Point Entirely - Shame That Your Mind And Eyes Are So Myopic
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#278
On the day you eliminate guns from the world, the following will happen:
GreenStormCloud
Jan 2013
#281
What A Pessimistic World View You Espouse - That Humanity Cannot Grow And Change - You Have My Pity
cantbeserious
Jan 2013
#282