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SunsetDreams

(8,571 posts)
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 06:13 PM Jan 2012

"If Gitmo is anyone’s legacy, it is the legacy of George W. Bush and of the US Senate" [View all]

Obama’s Failure To Close Gitmo Does Not Make Him The Worst Democratic President


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Many years ago, when I first learned of the Japanese internment camps, which were the result of an executive order by the progressive icon, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, I became deeply conflicted. How can someone who I’ve come to revere make such an unjust decision? How would I have reacted had I been alive during WWII?

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Need I remind you that George W. Bush bogged us down in two of the longest wars in American history? He indefinitely detained people with no hope of trials. His administration advocated and used torture. During his administration, our tax money was stolen and handed over to cronies. He left us with the worst economy since the Great Depression and the complete lack of respect from the rest of the world. Obviously, I could go on.

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(see the timeline of what has happened with trying to close Gitmo at the link)

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Guantanamo Bay will go down in history as a sad chapter in a history of American civil rights abuses. If I could manufacture my perfect President, he would have held his breath till he was blue in the face and have taken Congress hostage while demanding that they fund the closure of Gitmo.

Unfortunately, this didn’t happen. President Obama chose not to commit political suicide over an issue he might not have (in fact, arguably wouldn’t have) won. Personally, I believe him when he says the intention is still there. Perhaps our political pressure is misdirected when focused solely on the President. The Senate is the direct reason Gitmo isn’t closed. If Gitmo is anyone’s legacy, it is the legacy of George W. Bush and of the US Senate.


More at link: http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/01/10/obamas-failure-to-close-gitmo-does-not-make-him-the-worst-democratic-president/

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The fact of the matter is Obama signed an executive order to close Gitmo within a year on January 22, 2009. Congress voted 90-6 against providing funds in order to close it. Many Americans wanted and still want Gitmo closed but don't want the Prisoners in their "backyards". The matter is where to move them, and in order to move them, Congress needs to provide the funding in order to do so. While this is a campaign promise broken, Obama didn't break it. Congress did. He still reiterates wanting to close it. The executive order is there, but no funding to do it.

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If they're classified as military prisoners Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2012 #1
He has to have funds to do it SunsetDreams Jan 2012 #2
That is the usual answer but everything the military uses is paid for in advance. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2012 #4
IMHO, he doesn't know what to do with them. hughee99 Jan 2012 #5
I find it incredible to believe mere political optics are the issue Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2012 #6
I think it's more of an issue of hughee99 Jan 2012 #10
But as I noted elsewhere Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2012 #16
I agree, I believe he COULD probably get them relocated to domestic facilities hughee99 Jan 2012 #19
If you were a prosecuting attorney Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2012 #20
None, but maybe that's why I'm not in politics. hughee99 Jan 2012 #23
Well, if the choice is between following the Constitution and a political win gratuitous Jan 2012 #3
Call Congress, they won't provide the funding nt SunsetDreams Jan 2012 #7
Doesn't cost a dime to release every last one of them gratuitous Jan 2012 #8
These people have been so horribly tortured BlueCaliDem Jan 2012 #11
Tell any country that will take them . . . gratuitous Jan 2012 #21
I agree with you. K&R BlueCaliDem Jan 2012 #9
Bill Maher exclaimed that "Obama Lied" about Gitmo. I sent him a message on his Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #12
No, Obama broke his promise. No-one else. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2012 #13
Nice try but it is Congress SunsetDreams Jan 2012 #15
I said "Obama broke his promise", not "I blame Obama for not closing Gitmo". Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2012 #24
He chose to make that promise because ALL DEMOCRATS IN CONGRESS BlueCaliDem Jan 2012 #18
A few years ago, the MO Gov loyalsister Jan 2012 #22
Exactly. I recall Chuck Schumer on teevee complaining he didn't want BlueCaliDem Jan 2012 #26
It's hard to keep doing something I haven't been doing... Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2012 #25
Well, Obama were a dictator BlueCaliDem Jan 2012 #27
Did Obama think he was going to be a dictator when he made the promise? Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2012 #28
Reread my comment #18*. Apparently, you've missed: BlueCaliDem Jan 2012 #29
Where did you get the idea I don't support Obama? Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2012 #30
Your tone. BlueCaliDem Jan 2012 #31
My tone is because I don't *like* President Obama, and haven't since before he was elected. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2012 #36
I can understand this BlueCaliDem Jan 2012 #37
The legacy is Bush's, but the current responsibility is Obama's. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #14
Amen. Hell Hath No Fury Jan 2012 #32
No. The current responsibility is Congress' - Republicans AND Democrats BlueCaliDem Jan 2012 #34
who cares if Obama is the worst Democratic president Enrique Jan 2012 #17
The Uighurs are a clear-cut case of crucifixion. And not the only one. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #33
He's not. BlueCaliDem Jan 2012 #35
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