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loli phabay

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67. and yet you dont realise that prison gangs reach out to intimidate guards

Reply to Cooley Hurd (Reply #63)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 02:01 PM

Jan 2013

Seems you need to go talk to your brother again.

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Journal News gun permit map endangers officers, officials say [View all] hack89 Jan 2013 OP

Boo fucking hoo... Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #1

What if the prisoners are not humane and decent? nt hack89 Jan 2013 #2

My estimation is the majority of the guards are sociopaths... Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #5

I had a death threat from a guy who had done about 10 years for attempted murder. Jackpine Radical Jan 2013 #101

Anecdotal... Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #104

Nevertheless somewhat compelling when a secretary comes running screaming out of the office Jackpine Radical Jan 2013 #106

you do realise that guys like the brotherhood and ms13 etc dont care how humane a guard is loli phabay Jan 2013 #6

Well, then the guards should change occupations... Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #9

yeah and if the guards all resign who exactly is going to guard the jails and prisons loli phabay Jan 2013 #13

The good ones would stay, since they are respected by the VAST MAJORITY of the inmate population. Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #16

the vast majority are not the worry its the violent minority who target guards and their families loli phabay Jan 2013 #54

I have two brothers who are retired CO's... Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #63

and yet you dont realise that prison gangs reach out to intimidate guards loli phabay Jan 2013 #67

My oldest brother, now retired, was 2nd in command of a state maximum facility... Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #72

then hes lucky. threats are common working the line loli phabay Jan 2013 #81

Not luck. He was professional. And fair. Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #84

never watched it though i did watch prisoner cell block h loli phabay Jan 2013 #86

Okay... that made me laugh! Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #88

i still remember the song he used to bring me flowers loli phabay Jan 2013 #90

Anecdotal. sir pball Jan 2013 #110

I'm going by AT LEAST a dozen testimonies... Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #117

By your own admission sir pball Jan 2013 #118

By admissions further in the thread (which you apparently have not read)... Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #119

Aww, I'm actually flattered sir pball Jan 2013 #122

Apparently, I hit a nerve! Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #130

Anecdotal. Bake Jan 2013 #136

read the rest of my responses... Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #137

I read them. Bake Jan 2013 #142

Whatever, "Bake"... Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #143

Prison guards do NOT carry firearms. RomneyLies Jan 2013 #17

Thank god, because there would be a LOT of dead inmates... Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #20

Do you really think one needs the internet to locate a home location? JoeBlowToo Jan 2013 #12

thats why people who work in a lot of these places actively watch for tails etc loli phabay Jan 2013 #14

If they treat their charges like shit, they should fear retribution... Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #18

dose not matter to the prison gangs they will target anyone they can loli phabay Jan 2013 #44

That statement was pulled... Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #46

no that statement is from experience of talking to gang members. loli phabay Jan 2013 #52

...and? Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #55

okay im done with this. you keep believing that there isnt a danger from violent offenders loli phabay Jan 2013 #60

Violent offenders are sociopaths who have been ID'd by society as such. Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #66

Good plan... Let's let convicted felons decide... Coyote_Tan Jan 2013 #95

Never said that, but please proceed... Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #105

Prisoners are full of people who don't play by the same social rules that most of us abide by slackmaster Jan 2013 #8

The guards are WORSE... Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #10

OK, you hate prison guards for some reason. But it's not just about prison guards being on that map. slackmaster Jan 2013 #15

They're all armed! That's why they're on the list! Isn't that the reason WHY they're armed? Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #19

Some of them are armed to protect themselves from batterers, stalkers, and criminals slackmaster Jan 2013 #21

You do realize that some of those fine, upstanding citizens are more likely to cause a gun-death... Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #23

A far bigger risk is people who own guns ILLEGALLY, who can't get a pistol permit because... slackmaster Jan 2013 #25

Show me the stats... Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #26

Repeat Felons Dominate the Criminal Justice System—Most Convicted Felons do not Serve Time in Prison slackmaster Jan 2013 #27

"crimeinamerica.net"? Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #38

And you don't sound biased??? nt jmg257 Jan 2013 #48

As I've said throught the thread, I know both sides... Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #53

Perhaps you would find a direct link to the FBI's recidivism analysis tool more palatable slackmaster Jan 2013 #98

prisoners have nothing else to do except hatch schemes datasuspect Jan 2013 #32

Sounds like you have a problem with prison and police and law enforcement in general. dkf Jan 2013 #22

I have a problem giving badges to sociopaths... Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #24

I know a few policemen. dkf Jan 2013 #29

Not talking about nice. Being respectful and professional is what I'm referring to. Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #40

Does being respectful and professional get dangerous people to do what you want? dkf Jan 2013 #47

Yes. Despite what you've seen on "Lockup" and "Oz"... Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #51

Yeah if you can get the order through strength of will. dkf Jan 2013 #58

yup once you lose the command presence then you become a target loli phabay Jan 2013 #64

All the people I've known that have served time say the same thing... Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #74

the difference is that the violent minority will target who ever they can loli phabay Jan 2013 #77

But they never target a guard who has been respectful to them, despite their being behind bars... Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #79

lol yeah because members of prison gangs are honourable people who never thats never loli phabay Jan 2013 #89

I can only go by what my brothers - the CO's- have told me for years. Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #91

you've never met an actual criminal or a convict before, have you? datasuspect Jan 2013 #33

I have. And, there's always an underlying issue... Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #42

your first sentence raises a crucial point datasuspect Jan 2013 #45

Yes, it does... Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #49

A story on this I heard yesterday compared it to Wikileaks. Robb Jan 2013 #3

an unforseen aspect of releasing the list. i wonder if the paper thought of this loli phabay Jan 2013 #4

Out come the senseless, thoughtless rationalizations and cop haters, as predictable as dawn slackmaster Jan 2013 #7

If cops do not want to be hated... Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #11

A real stretch here. In most cases, inmate could GOOGLE guard home addresses, just as easily. leveymg Jan 2013 #28

This message was self-deleted by its author slackmaster Jan 2013 #30

You probably have more enemies than most prison guards. ;-) leveymg Jan 2013 #31

. Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #56

I certainly have a "fan club" here on DU slackmaster Jan 2013 #62

Know what you mean. ;-) leveymg Jan 2013 #94

My old "friend" was an early member of the Coalition to Ban Handguns, even though he owned one slackmaster Jan 2013 #96

Indeed. A self-loathing gun owner can be seriously dangerous. eom leveymg Jan 2013 #97

Got news for you customerserviceguy Jan 2013 #99

This message was self-deleted by its author slackmaster Jan 2013 #100

Agreed on who is at risk because of irresponsible "journalism" customerserviceguy Jan 2013 #147

I can speak for how things are done at the San Diego County recorder's office and courts slackmaster Jan 2013 #148

Exactly........ Historic NY Jan 2013 #128

I can get a homeowner's address for free blueamy66 Jan 2013 #138

Yes, if the home is vested in the person's real name slackmaster Jan 2013 #140

Never heard of that. blueamy66 Jan 2013 #144

Yes, some people really do need to hide slackmaster Jan 2013 #145

Is it costly to do this? blueamy66 Jan 2013 #146

Yes, I believe the cost starts in the thousands and goes up depending on your situation slackmaster Jan 2013 #149

you do realize that inmates don't have unrestricted access to the internet? datasuspect Jan 2013 #34

You do realize that nobody does life in County Jail? leveymg Jan 2013 #36

You do realize that prisoner computers are highly restricted and regulated, don't you? tradecenter Jan 2013 #37

Not when they're let out of jail, they aren't. leveymg Jan 2013 #43

And they wouldn't have this info tradecenter Jan 2013 #50

The guards wear name tags... Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #57

So what? tradecenter Jan 2013 #65

Welcome to DU! Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #70

I can agree with that. tradecenter Jan 2013 #73

you do realise the definition of asshole differs between normal people and violent offenders loli phabay Jan 2013 #75

No, it's a universal definition... Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #76

not in prison its not. the rules are different. loli phabay Jan 2013 #78

Well, the rules aren't different... Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #82

i think you need to visit a facility or ask your family as the rules for inmates are very different loli phabay Jan 2013 #85

Oy vey. You're just repeating yourself, despite what I've said... Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #87

smart guys do last name only and a good idea is to use a trust for your home loli phabay Jan 2013 #71

You're just laughably wrong about everything you just wrote. leveymg Jan 2013 #61

Sorry, but I disagree with you. tradecenter Jan 2013 #83

what would be the purpose of tracking down information of a county jail turnkey datasuspect Jan 2013 #41

You really think a prisoner can just walk up to a computer and google a guard's home address? tradecenter Jan 2013 #35

Cheez-itz. Ever seen so much fuzziness on one thread? See response #36 above. leveymg Jan 2013 #39

Classic exchanges between those who believe guns create crime and those who look to science to jody Jan 2013 #80

I have a friend who is in a California state prison. He can't touch a computer. He's lucky if... slackmaster Jan 2013 #59

My point exactly. tradecenter Jan 2013 #69

It's not when theyre IN jail that we need to worry about... B2G Jan 2013 #92

True. tradecenter Jan 2013 #93

But inmates can have friends outside of prison. They can exchange letters and even phone calls. slackmaster Jan 2013 #102

Could someone point me to the epidemic of ex-prisoners going to guards' houses to harass them? Comrade Grumpy Jan 2013 #68

It's over there, next to voter fraud. Robb Jan 2013 #103

Did you even read the OP, Comrade Grumpy? slackmaster Jan 2013 #109

In Journalism Ethics class, we were made to think... Lady Freedom Returns Jan 2013 #107

The same thing was taught in my advanced photography courses in the 1970s slackmaster Jan 2013 #108

I served as jury foreman on a 3rd degree murder trial Orrex Jan 2013 #111

That gets tied up in the Constitutional right for a fair and open trial. hack89 Jan 2013 #112

On the other hand, I've seen no compelling arguments against a list of permit owners Orrex Jan 2013 #113

The only persuave argument I have seen hack89 Jan 2013 #115

With all the support that women get on this forum, you'd think that would be a slam-dunk reason... slackmaster Jan 2013 #116

Actually, yeah. That's a pretty good reason. Orrex Jan 2013 #120

California DMV registrations used to be fully public and freely accessible to anyone slackmaster Jan 2013 #123

Not quite that simple, apparently Orrex Jan 2013 #124

In the absence of information that suggests otherwise, the answer to your final question must be... slackmaster Jan 2013 #125

Well, that harkens back to a previous discussion on this subject Orrex Jan 2013 #127

I think the OP presents sufficient evidence that publishing addresses IS a problem slackmaster Jan 2013 #131

First of all, I'd need to see documentation of that claim Orrex Jan 2013 #134

You could make your physical address unknown and unsearchable if you really wanted to slackmaster Jan 2013 #114

Maybe, maybe not Orrex Jan 2013 #121

then don't carry guns.... mike_c Jan 2013 #126

Or ensure that gun registration does not become common hack89 Jan 2013 #129

That's how I see it. If registration information can be misused, that's enough of a reason... slackmaster Jan 2013 #133

This situation has NOTHING AT ALL to do with carrying guns, mike_c slackmaster Jan 2013 #132

of course it does.... mike_c Jan 2013 #135

A New York State permit to OWN a gun does not entitle a person to CARRY it in public slackmaster Jan 2013 #141

The information was publicly available anyway. Anyone could have compiled it. That being said, I am stevenleser Jan 2013 #139