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5. I knew a guy who killed his sister

Reply to pangaia (Reply #4)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 10:59 AM

Jan 2013

by hitting her with a beer bottle. I have also known several people who were murdered with guns.

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How to refute the more murders with hammers than rifles fiction that is sweeping right wing websites [View all] Mortos Jan 2013 OP

If they think a hammer is so lethal, maybe they should use THAT for protection. JoePhilly Jan 2013 #1

Excellent point! MsPithy Jan 2013 #65

I do believe DeLay is too busy at the present. BlueNoteSpecial Jan 2013 #66

excellent point samsingh Jan 2013 #77

I think the 8583 number is homicides...and doesn't include ~17000 gun suicides HereSince1628 Jan 2013 #2

Great point. pangaia Jan 2013 #4

I knew a guy who killed his sister pscot Jan 2013 #5

Thats freightening. pangaia Jan 2013 #98

I support a persons right to end their life. NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #16

Just trying to get toward an accurate number of gun deaths HereSince1628 Jan 2013 #43

Thank you. That was exactly my thought. Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2013 #3

What does the 'intent' of an object have to do with the uses to which it's put? X_Digger Jan 2013 #26

It goes to why the object is purchased. Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2013 #40

Do they still sell telepsychology degrees on the internet? X_Digger Jan 2013 #47

It's a pretty easy correlation, actually. Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2013 #80

If we go with 80,000,000 gun owners, it becomes 99.5%.. X_Digger Jan 2013 #81

If they are actually shooting their gun at any place other than a range.... Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2013 #82

Target practice and recreational shooting = "preparing to injure or kill"?!? X_Digger Jan 2013 #83

How frequently do you see these? Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2013 #85

Are the olympians similarly "preparing to kill and injure"? LOL! X_Digger Jan 2013 #86

Yes, the millions of Olympic sharpshooters that we have in this country. Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2013 #88

The last gun I bought, was for IPSC competition. X_Digger Jan 2013 #89

And that's the only gun you have? Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2013 #91

I don't hunt (like 80% of gun owners.) X_Digger Jan 2013 #93

ISSF or ISPC? Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2013 #94

IPSC (pistol), postage match with a few friends who don't live close anymore.. X_Digger Jan 2013 #97

ha, ha... tm52 Feb 2013 #113

I think saying that a gun is "designed" to kill is a flawed argument... lastlib Jan 2013 #45

So if the purpose of a gun is not to kill, then what is it? I know AR's are really designed for Erose999 Jan 2013 #63

equivalency Soft Tips Jan 2013 #46

Using what? nt Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2013 #48

People have been killing eachother since the dawn of time Mojorabbit Jan 2013 #61

I did some further research Mortos Jan 2013 #6

I would also be interested in knowing the number of people Heidi Jan 2013 #8

The gun wackos should demonstrate on themselves. LiberalFighter Jan 2013 #14

Well, I don't want to see anyone get hurt, Heidi Jan 2013 #21

Or how many shoot themselves while totally hammered nt Xipe Totec Jan 2013 #101

Here is something from the fbi Mojorabbit Jan 2013 #62

Kick. Heidi Jan 2013 #7

Its fair to reframe the argument away from the rifles-hammers comparison but its not fiction. aikoaiko Jan 2013 #9

Then you go to the families in Sandy Hook Savannahmann Jan 2013 #12

You apparently read a lot more into my post than actually written. aikoaiko Jan 2013 #20

Oh, Come On. Paladin Jan 2013 #51

Yep, I wish I had been able to say it so succinctly... JoeBlowToo Jan 2013 #59

One of the things that I never hear from anti-RKBA advocates is... aikoaiko Jan 2013 #67

Some 'esoteric detail', eh? X_Digger Jan 2013 #68

They are designed to do one thing. Savannahmann Jan 2013 #87

By that standard nearly all civilian firearms are variations of military firearms. aikoaiko Jan 2013 #90

Factually incorrect bmelton Mar 2014 #120

Do you have any data on nail guns? (nt) Heidi Jan 2013 #23

I do not. aikoaiko Jan 2013 #28

So it's not really a fiction, you just don't like the comparison, eh? X_Digger Jan 2013 #10

Since blunt objects are so effective, maybe people should use those for home defense. JoePhilly Jan 2013 #15

Effective for murder = effective for defense? Your logic, it has a sad. n/t X_Digger Jan 2013 #18

Isn't getting killed a fear that a bugler might have? JoePhilly Jan 2013 #24

Yes, if he bugles at 5am outside my house. X_Digger Jan 2013 #30

So your point is that guns provide a more effective weapon when one's goal is to JoePhilly Jan 2013 #33

Guns are more useful in defending oneself than blunt objects. X_Digger Jan 2013 #36

Unless that assult weapon is in your house. Then your risk of death by such a JoePhilly Jan 2013 #39

You appear to re-qualify in mid-stream... LanternWaste Jan 2013 #99

Two sentences, two thoughts. X_Digger Jan 2013 #100

What weapon will a burglar be more likely to have - a gun or a hammer? hack89 Jan 2013 #32

So regardless of the data the RW presents, the weapon of choice for JoePhilly Jan 2013 #70

The weapon of choice for self defense is a gun - there, I fixed it for you. nt hack89 Jan 2013 #74

Why would I use a hammer to incapacitate some one when a gun allows JoePhilly Jan 2013 #75

I am only concerned with protecting myself from that guy with the blunt object hack89 Jan 2013 #79

Said the National Blunt Object Association? Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2013 #19

You likely have a blunt object within arm's reach. Ban blunt objects! X_Digger Jan 2013 #22

What is this blunt object of which you speak? nt Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2013 #29

Many fine stores near you.... PavePusher Jan 2013 #103

I looked on those websites. None of them sold any product called a Blunt Object. Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2013 #105

All squares are rectangles. Not all rectangles are squares. krispos42 Jan 2013 #11

I would compare it to oil rigs, though. Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2013 #37

Hmmm, rrneck Jan 2013 #13

It certainly points out why an AWB will not make America safer hack89 Jan 2013 #17

Technically the 9mm used at Virginia Tech fell within the constrains of the old AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #69

Apparently, they do not need guns to protect themselves from criminals. They need it for arguments. ieoeja Jan 2013 #25

If they're going to break down the total murders by guns, into various types, like rifles, then sinkingfeeling Jan 2013 #27

OK. Then compare it to bare hands and feet Recursion Jan 2013 #41

What? Where's that individual weapon listed? That's classed with sinkingfeeling Jan 2013 #50

726 for hands, fists, feet, etc. X_Digger Jan 2013 #57

That's multiples. Like 'firearms'. sinkingfeeling Jan 2013 #72

blunt fact Soft Tips Jan 2013 #53

In other news... Turbineguy Jan 2013 #31

There are three hammers at my house and we've never been robbed!!!! JoePhilly Jan 2013 #35

I'd never actually counted them before Turbineguy Jan 2013 #42

Hammer nut! ;) X_Digger Jan 2013 #60

I didn't count my rubber mallet either. JoePhilly Jan 2013 #71

Does a Cresent wrench count? GreenTimer Oct 2014 #121

Ask them how often a blunt object is used in a murder suicide. JoePhilly Jan 2013 #34

OK, then compare rifles to bare hands and feet. Recursion Jan 2013 #38

It's not fiction, and it does raise a very good point sir pball Jan 2013 #44

It's this simple: You can run away from blunt objects and knives, LeftinOH Jan 2013 #49

Many people can't do any of that, but can use a gun defensively just fine. n/t PavePusher Jan 2013 #104

You don't need to go to RW websites to get read that meme. progressoid Jan 2013 #52

Gun huggers skew every available fact.. 99Forever Jan 2013 #54

About the same time that the Sandy Hook killings were happening, in China, a deranged bluestate10 Jan 2013 #55

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Never argue wit fools bowens43 Jan 2013 #58

If only the people of Sandy Hook had had more hammers.... a John Henry armed with a 12lb. sledge in Erose999 Jan 2013 #64

Yes, anything can be used as a weapon Smilo Jan 2013 #73

the nra supports hammers over guns samsingh Jan 2013 #76

Screw the NRA and anybody who uses their talking points Hugabear Jan 2013 #78

So in order to refute it we ignore the fact Riftaxe Jan 2013 #84

A handgun and a semiauto rifle is a lot more similar.... Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2013 #96

In what world? Riftaxe Jan 2013 #108

In reality. nt Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2013 #109

We should all demand guns stop killing people. ileus Jan 2013 #92

Yup. Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2013 #95

Why would you want to refute something that's true? tatertwat Jan 2013 #102

speaking of cherry picking booley Jan 2013 #107

Best troll name ever. nt Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2013 #110

thank you for this Scout Jan 2013 #106

Yeah, I wish I had it a few days ago. GoCubsGo Jan 2013 #111

What needs to be refuted exactly? Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2013 #112

FYI handmade34 Mar 2013 #114

This message was self-deleted by its author edwardebbs Mar 2013 #115

Thanks for info jinx1 Mar 2013 #116

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Lies, damned lies and statistics. And FRP. eom uppityperson Feb 2014 #119

Death by spoon. rug Oct 2014 #122

It's not a rifle that I see. It is an automatic weapon Maraya1969 Oct 2015 #123