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110. SCOTUS deliberately avoided deciding either way in Miller

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 12:32 PM

Jan 2013

I'd also add that Constitutional Law Professor Barack Obama said, before Heller came out, that he read it to mean an individual right.

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Can you guess what all this talk, talk, talk about gun control is doing? [View all] 99th_Monkey Dec 2012 OP

Gin, guns, gays, ganja. Our nation is addicted to prohibition. Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #1

Yep, who are we to deny these yahoos a chance to own an (or another) assault weapon? Hoyt Dec 2012 #2

Ah, Hoyt. You keep the vacuum tubes of prohibition glowing orange, long into the night Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #8

Happy New Year to all those so steeped in guns their user name is a reference to lethal weapons. Hoyt Dec 2012 #10

Well, blame it on Eleanor. Hear-tell Franklin only had a .32 by his side of the bed. Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #21

Read that from NRA represents years ago. Democrats named after guns. . . . . Hoyt Dec 2012 #24

Why Thank You Hoyt!!! oneshooter Dec 2012 #25

Not a time to be proud of it, OS, but here's to a wonderful New year sans guns. Hoyt Dec 2012 #27

buncha goddamn pearl clutching puritans, i tells ya datasuspect Dec 2012 #23

And the false equivalency continues Scootaloo Dec 2012 #26

Stuff is smuggled in parts and in diff media, reassmb. Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #43

it's the economy of the black market, and a matter of scale. Scootaloo Dec 2012 #44

"Gun parts are not so easy to make..." PavePusher Jan 2013 #94

And all of that is a hell of a lot more work than making bootleg alcohol. Scootaloo Jan 2013 #98

1. You've apparently never made "bootleg alcohol" in saleable quantities. PavePusher Jan 2013 #99

People make AK's in their toolsheds in Afghanistan Recursion Jan 2013 #103

Will....Not....Make....Obvious....Suggestion.... (nt) Paladin Jan 2013 #107

I admire your restraint (nt) Recursion Jan 2013 #108

Lots of things are prohibited and regulated. Some necessary, some not. Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2013 #56

Prohibition only works when there is near universal agreement Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #60

Regulation and prohibition (the goal of many here) must deal Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #100

What I find interesting, in a sick way, Arctic Dave Dec 2012 #3

Near as I can tell, the gun nuts envision a world where we all look like this 99th_Monkey Dec 2012 #4

Ahhhh, the military glam shot. Arctic Dave Dec 2012 #5

Man, if I see someone like that, I'll get in line! Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #6

Yep, here are some fine folks from the Michigan Militia, confederate flags and all. Hoyt Dec 2012 #11

What a bunch of chickenshit wastes of oxygen. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #15

I agree. The deeper you get into the gun culture, the more disgusting this whole thing becomes. Hoyt Dec 2012 #16

Well, I hope that doesn't happen. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #20

No doubt all served in some branch of the armed forces. Rex Dec 2012 #29

I wouldn't be surprised if some of them did serve. Crackinrocket Dec 2012 #40

Guys like this crack me up Scootaloo Dec 2012 #30

Except I think they figure their guns will put them in control, and they can take whatever Hoyt Dec 2012 #33

I shudder just imagining it. Crackinrocket Dec 2012 #41

What wonderful poster children to represent gun owners. jmg257 Dec 2012 #39

In the first group pic upthread Tsiyu Jan 2013 #46

And then there are these ... Straw Man Jan 2013 #96

But let's don't let the racists terrorists have the friggin things. To keep Hoyt Jan 2013 #97

How stupid our culture is. Rex Dec 2012 #28

I was looking to buy a particular rifle for $1600 4 weeks ago and waffled... OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #7

Ever get the feeling we are being "played" 99th_Monkey Dec 2012 #12

LBJ's programs make the present Democratic Party look center-right. And all I got was this stinking Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #22

cry me a river G_j Jan 2013 #93

Do it in the middle of the night? JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2012 #9

Call it "national security" 99th_Monkey Dec 2012 #14

And this is what scares politicians more than anything. aikoaiko Dec 2012 #13

It already happened once. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #18

I was living in Tennessee in 2000. Gore's position on guns hurt him. nt rrneck Dec 2012 #36

Which probably cost him TN Lurks Often Jan 2013 #49

Gee whodathunkit n/t L0oniX Dec 2012 #17

Who, indeed. Igel Dec 2012 #19

I don't understand why some call them paranoid. Crackinrocket Dec 2012 #42

But no one is calling for banning anything, right? Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #64

And that's why you have to not only ban new arms, but ban possession. Let the suckers jmg257 Dec 2012 #31

What do you figure the compliance rate would be? 10% Maybe 15%? Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #32

I don't know - how many "law abiding gun owners" want to become felons? jmg257 Dec 2012 #34

A lot. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #35

Good answer! :) I wonder just how many would REALLY take the risk. jmg257 Dec 2012 #38

How many "law abiding" DU'rs disregard marijuana laws? hack89 Jan 2013 #50

Huh - not really sure. Is marijuana use really a felony? jmg257 Jan 2013 #51

In most states it is. hack89 Jan 2013 #52

Wow - a felony? Around here it is mostly a violation, or a misdemeanor... jmg257 Jan 2013 #53

Owning a gun would be relatively risk free in many places hack89 Jan 2013 #55

I didn't see it that way. Figuring they realize they could eventually face those guns they ignore. jmg257 Jan 2013 #57

Why would they start killing cops when they are not doing it now? hack89 Jan 2013 #58

Right now they are not criminals; some cops will enforce new laws; jmg257 Jan 2013 #62

The point is all these new "illegal gun owners" were not threats before hack89 Jan 2013 #67

Not "all" - which of course is THE problem, hard to know who will be and who won't be... jmg257 Jan 2013 #69

Yes, any prohibition regime will kill people. Period. Recursion Jan 2013 #105

In the long run? yep. Don't think resistance would be that steadfast if a few examples were made. jmg257 Jan 2013 #106

In the State of Florida.. EX500rider Jan 2013 #95

How many pot users risk it? Recursion Jan 2013 #104

See #50 et. al. The risks must not be high enough, the public interest not serious enough. nt jmg257 Jan 2013 #109

What else in the BoR are you so anxious to repeal? Socal31 Jan 2013 #45

I don't disagree with any amendments. Just figure their 'restrictions, no matter jmg257 Jan 2013 #47

The individual right to bear arms is a new development Savannahmann Jan 2013 #54

Important, if true. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #59

Then allow me to help you. Savannahmann Jan 2013 #63

The reason why that doesn't support the statement is because the AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #68

There are quite a few links to that quote, all of which refer to an interview on PBS. jmg257 Jan 2013 #72

None of that changes the fact that the "SCOTUS" NEVER "felt it was a collective right." AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #77

LOL bongbong Jan 2013 #74

(1) No it doesn't. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #75

Ironic bongbong Jan 2013 #85

Actually, AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #86

Yes! bongbong Jan 2013 #87

Then how about some more links? I'll even exerpt them for you. Savannahmann Jan 2013 #76

As you said, "So Chief Justice Burger DIDN'T SAY FRAUD." Thank you. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #78

Was it considered an individual right? Savannahmann Jan 2013 #79

If facts matters, contrary to what was posted at #54, AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #80

You're just a hair short of delusional aren't you? Savannahmann Jan 2013 #81

You really can't infer anything from the SCOTUS declining to review a case slackmaster Jan 2013 #82

Seriously, you honestly think that? Savannahmann Jan 2013 #84

The SC hears only about 1% of cases that are presented to it slackmaster Jan 2013 #92

Obviously not. If facts matter, it was FALSELY STATED at #54 that AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #83

Though apparently - he did. Apparently there are transcripts (and DVDs) of him doing so. jmg257 Jan 2013 #89

Don't sweat it. Savannahmann Jan 2013 #112

You aren't arguing with a gun-nutter here. Socal31 Jan 2013 #90

Sorry - my post wasn't clear...not a "statement of disarming everyone of jmg257 Jan 2013 #91

Free speech is limited. Savannahmann Jan 2013 #113

The 2nd has been touched already, Socal31 Jan 2013 #114

SCOTUS deliberately avoided deciding either way in Miller Recursion Jan 2013 #110

Constitutional Law Professor Obama also said Savannahmann Jan 2013 #111

And you can have a quill pen and ink rl6214 Jan 2013 #116

The poster has a right to his/her opinion AgingAmerican Jan 2013 #102

Tots slackmaster Dec 2012 #37

Eww! What's that red, squelchy thing in the corner? randome Jan 2013 #61

Depends on where you live slackmaster Jan 2013 #65

Oh. It looks more like a mutant onion. But ketchup works well with tater tots! randome Jan 2013 #70

These people are sick in the head. Odin2005 Jan 2013 #48

YAwn n/t L0oniX Jan 2013 #66

more and more people to engage in a collective discussion which impacts our nation and our culture LanternWaste Jan 2013 #71

None can wish legislation into place nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #73

Nobody wants an honest, frank discussion about gun control. closeupready Jan 2013 #88

They swarm gun stores because the RW media tells them AgingAmerican Jan 2013 #101

The Newtown massacre was the best ad campaign for AR-15s since, well, ever. Electric Monk Jan 2013 #115

I know AgingAmerican Jan 2013 #117